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I can only speak for Swedish police and the current legal situation but if they had a location on my apartment building for example, it would not help them. My

I can only speak for Swedish police and the current legal situation but if they had a location on my apartment building for example, it would not help them. My two buildings have over 128 households. And even if they got a fix on one gate, that's 16 households. And the law says you cannot enter anyones home without a court order here. So there's really no point in even coming over.

chungy 4y ago
It's similar in the US. The police could ask nicely to come in without a warrant, but anyone can (and should!) decline.
- largepeepee 4y ago
  It also depends on the degree of trust your community has with law enforcement. Small town where you know the cops by name? Sure. Incompetently ran large cities with adversary relationship with corrupt civil service? Maybe not.
- INTPenis 4y ago
  Heh nicely, here the cops will use any tactic to get in. Because getting in they might see something that gives them further cause to investigate. They'll lean on the door, bang on the hinges, make you think they're going to break it down. But as long as they stay outside your door, and it's not reeking of weed or something, just refuse to open. For now, they're trying to overturn this constitutional protection due to gang violence lately.
dataflow 4y ago
What about coming into the building/complex (but not the apartment), going near the GPS location, then using something like Bluetooth or WiFi to detect proximity to the device to figure out what to search?
- remram 4y ago
  And then what? Searching the ~4 apartments that are close enough to be potential locations?
nly 4y ago
Chances are these people have priors. Just cross reference the address with your criminal database and bobs your uncle
- rosnd 4y ago
  That's hardly any basis to search their home.
  - warning26 4y ago
    Once a criminal, always a criminal. I don't understand while we allow criminals back into society; if someone chose to commit a crime once, there's no reason to think they won't apply that same calculus again and again.
    - pxx 4y ago
      Is this Poe's law at work? I can't tell if you're mocking the grandparent or actually have this deranged viewpoint.
    - withinboredom 4y ago
      Are you being serious? I can’t tell but I can’t imagine why you would be serious. People getting out of prison have a huge stigma from people thinking this way and it makes reintegrations much harder than it should be. Anyway, most people are criminals just waiting to get caught. Most people speed, jay walk, go through red lights at least once in their life, unintentionally lie on tax forms, forget to declare things at customs, etc. You’re probably a criminal, the odds are not in your favor… so, if you are serious, you should take a look in the mirror.
      - josephcsible 4y ago
        > Most people speed, jay walk, go through red lights at least once in their life, unintentionally lie on tax forms, forget to declare things at customs, etc. None of those things are nearly as bad as large-scale phone theft. And contrast the words "unintentionally" and "forget" with intentionally stealing property that you know belongs to someone else.

chungy 4y ago

It's similar in the US. The police could ask nicely to come in without a warrant, but anyone can (and should!) decline.

largepeepee 4y ago
It also depends on the degree of trust your community has with law enforcement. Small town where you know the cops by name? Sure. Incompetently ran large cities with adversary relationship with corrupt civil service? Maybe not.
INTPenis 4y ago
Heh nicely, here the cops will use any tactic to get in. Because getting in they might see something that gives them further cause to investigate. They'll lean on the door, bang on the hinges, make you think they're going to break it down. But as long as they stay outside your door, and it's not reeking of weed or something, just refuse to open. For now, they're trying to overturn this constitutional protection due to gang violence lately.

dataflow 4y ago

What about coming into the building/complex (but not the apartment), going near the GPS location, then using something like Bluetooth or WiFi to detect proximity to the device to figure out what to search?

remram 4y ago
And then what? Searching the ~4 apartments that are close enough to be potential locations?

nly 4y ago

Chances are these people have priors. Just cross reference the address with your criminal database and bobs your uncle

rosnd 4y ago
That's hardly any basis to search their home.
- warning26 4y ago
  Once a criminal, always a criminal. I don't understand while we allow criminals back into society; if someone chose to commit a crime once, there's no reason to think they won't apply that same calculus again and again.
  - pxx 4y ago
    Is this Poe's law at work? I can't tell if you're mocking the grandparent or actually have this deranged viewpoint.
  - withinboredom 4y ago
    Are you being serious? I can’t tell but I can’t imagine why you would be serious. People getting out of prison have a huge stigma from people thinking this way and it makes reintegrations much harder than it should be. Anyway, most people are criminals just waiting to get caught. Most people speed, jay walk, go through red lights at least once in their life, unintentionally lie on tax forms, forget to declare things at customs, etc. You’re probably a criminal, the odds are not in your favor… so, if you are serious, you should take a look in the mirror.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      > Most people speed, jay walk, go through red lights at least once in their life, unintentionally lie on tax forms, forget to declare things at customs, etc. None of those things are nearly as bad as large-scale phone theft. And contrast the words "unintentionally" and "forget" with intentionally stealing property that you know belongs to someone else.