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This kind of crap is what made Windows 10 unusable for me. Everything was infuriating. I’m not a fanboy of anything either. Win2K was great. macOS 10.1-10.4 wa

This kind of crap is what made Windows 10 unusable for me. Everything was infuriating. I’m not a fanboy of anything either. Win2K was great. macOS 10.1-10.4 was wonderful. BeOS, RISCOS, IRIX, NeXT, and even DRDOS have warm places in my heart. These days, I use macOS because I find it the least annoying. It still has too many approval dialogs and notifications, but it isn’t quite as hostile as Windows. Linux and BSD are “fine” but there are other issues that I have with those ecosystems as far as usability is concerned. I really hope SerenityOS continues its fast paced development and becomes usable for daily computing…

null_object 4y ago
> It still has too many approval dialogs and notifications, but it isn’t quite as hostile as Windows I’m genuinely intrigued by which approval dialogs and notifications you find so hostile in MacOS? If it’s SIP or Gatekeeper you’re talking about, there are easily implemented workarounds. Otherwise I really can’t think of any “notifications” from the OS
- Jasper_ 4y ago
  I have a MacBook I use occasionally for work. I don't have an AppleID and don't want to make one (same as Microsoft Account). Every time I boot the system, there are about 20 untagged login prompts and have to manually cancel.
  - atty 4y ago
    That’s interesting. I have a MacBook for work with no Apple ID and I don’t think I’ve ever been asked to sign into anything. I wonder if there are fleet management controls my company is using to disable a lot of that stuff.
- coder543 4y ago
  Just to provide one example, I definitely have seen macOS pop up notifications advertising that Safari is better than everything else, and I should switch back to Safari.
  - null_object 4y ago
    > Just to provide one example, I definitely have seen macOS pop up notifications advertising that Safari is better than everything else, and I should switch back to Safari. I would love to see a screenshot because this I simply don’t believe
    - coder543 4y ago
      https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-turn-off-the-try-the-new-safari-notification https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-... I saw it within the past year. I didn’t save a screenshot anywhere I can find. I believe I applied defaults overrides (like in the link) to prevent it from coming back, much like Windows GPO policies.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      It's well documented, I saw it at least once a month when logged out of iCloud. Certainly not the most annoying pop-up though, that award goes to the automatic Apple Music launcher when you put on headphones.
    - goosedragons 4y ago
      This is an old thing they've been doing almost a decade now [0]. It's still around now [1]. You probably never because you either use Safari as your web browser or use it enough for the pop up to not trigger. I don't really get why you think this is unbelievable when Apple will regularly try to get you to use Apple Music, iCloud, etc. Why not Safari? [0] https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-osx-try-safari-promotion.html https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-osx-try-safari-promotion.... [1] https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/TRYTHENEWSAFARI.html https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/TRYTHENEWSAFARI.html
- alpaca128 4y ago
  I got my first Mac a few months ago and there are definitely a few annoying things. Not necessarily (only) popups, just weird error messages, bugs and the system sometimes telling me a jpeg file might be a virus that I may not want to "launch". Though on average I'd say it's a drastically better experience than the current state of Windows.
  - shortcake27 4y ago
    I’ve been using Mac for 12 years and never seen that dialog about a jpeg being a virus. Are you sure there _isn’t_ anything malicious embedded within the file?
    - alpaca128 4y ago
      Considering it happens with all files I download onto a USB drive, yes, I'm pretty sure it's not a virus. It seems Mac OS makes all files downloaded like that executable and then assumes it's all viruses.
y-c-o-m-b 4y ago
What are you doing with your machine that makes Windows 10 unusable? I've been on Windows 10 for years. I ran O&O ShutUp 10 a long time ago and haven't had any of the problems people are complaining about. I've had people complain about how they "shouldn't need to run Shutup 10" yeah ok valid point, but it's a weak one because I can make that point about anything on any other OS. It takes what - 10 seconds to run the application? I'm an advanced power user. There are no pop-ups, no nagging to use Edge, no search feature hostility, no crashes, nothing. Not one day has gone by where I think "wow this OS sucks, why haven't they addressed this issue". I play PC games on it, browse, code, image editing, etc. all without a single hiccup. It's been completely stable and user-friendly. I'm genuinely curious what is it specifically that bothers people about this OS because it sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining and not anything authentic at this point. I'm a software developer at a FAANG and I use a Windows machine. I listen to my Mac user colleagues complain every week: "my application crashed", "I need to reboot", "I'm forced to update see you in an hour", "I have to shut down so I can reset permissions for this app", etc. They roll their eyes when they notice I'm running Windows, but then endlessly complain about their mac systems. The cognitive dissonance is staggering.
- ffwd 4y ago
  This is my experience with Win 10 as well. In fact I dare say, Win 10 in the past 5 years is one of the best desktop OS's of all time. No crashes, perfect customizability to turn off things, fast and responsive. However that said, I'm extremely worried about Win 11, and when I saw all the things they changed in the taskbar (no text labels, no option to never combine icons), the right click menu and so on, I was very disappointed. I did get the send to menu back with a thing and I know you can use winaerotweaker to get all the old stuff back, but a part of me wants to be on the native OS stuff whenever possible and not change core OS with third party apps. But I'm also worried about what they might further do in the future and in 5-10 years, incompatibility in programs/etc with Win 10 might make using it very bothersome so you have to update at some point.
- shortcake27 4y ago
  You are exaggerating in an attempt to prove your point. Permissions _may_ require restarting the app once. Not weekly. MacOS major updates happen yearly, and minor every few months. Patches often don’t require restart. So that isn’t happening weekly either. Finally, “my application crashed” has absolutely nothing to do with MacOS and everything to do with the application. Nothing ever crashes for me except for Photoshop.

null_object 4y ago

> It still has too many approval dialogs and notifications, but it isn’t quite as hostile as Windows I’m genuinely intrigued by which approval dialogs and notifications you find so hostile in MacOS? If it’s SIP or Gatekeeper you’re talking about, there are easily implemented workarounds. Otherwise I really can’t think of any “notifications” from the OS

Jasper_ 4y ago
I have a MacBook I use occasionally for work. I don't have an AppleID and don't want to make one (same as Microsoft Account). Every time I boot the system, there are about 20 untagged login prompts and have to manually cancel.
- atty 4y ago
  That’s interesting. I have a MacBook for work with no Apple ID and I don’t think I’ve ever been asked to sign into anything. I wonder if there are fleet management controls my company is using to disable a lot of that stuff.
coder543 4y ago
Just to provide one example, I definitely have seen macOS pop up notifications advertising that Safari is better than everything else, and I should switch back to Safari.
- null_object 4y ago
  > Just to provide one example, I definitely have seen macOS pop up notifications advertising that Safari is better than everything else, and I should switch back to Safari. I would love to see a screenshot because this I simply don’t believe
  - coder543 4y ago
    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-turn-off-the-try-the-new-safari-notification https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-... I saw it within the past year. I didn’t save a screenshot anywhere I can find. I believe I applied defaults overrides (like in the link) to prevent it from coming back, much like Windows GPO policies.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    It's well documented, I saw it at least once a month when logged out of iCloud. Certainly not the most annoying pop-up though, that award goes to the automatic Apple Music launcher when you put on headphones.
  - goosedragons 4y ago
    This is an old thing they've been doing almost a decade now [0]. It's still around now [1]. You probably never because you either use Safari as your web browser or use it enough for the pop up to not trigger. I don't really get why you think this is unbelievable when Apple will regularly try to get you to use Apple Music, iCloud, etc. Why not Safari? [0] https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-osx-try-safari-promotion.html https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-osx-try-safari-promotion.... [1] https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/TRYTHENEWSAFARI.html https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/TRYTHENEWSAFARI.html
alpaca128 4y ago
I got my first Mac a few months ago and there are definitely a few annoying things. Not necessarily (only) popups, just weird error messages, bugs and the system sometimes telling me a jpeg file might be a virus that I may not want to "launch". Though on average I'd say it's a drastically better experience than the current state of Windows.
- shortcake27 4y ago
  I’ve been using Mac for 12 years and never seen that dialog about a jpeg being a virus. Are you sure there _isn’t_ anything malicious embedded within the file?
  - alpaca128 4y ago
    Considering it happens with all files I download onto a USB drive, yes, I'm pretty sure it's not a virus. It seems Mac OS makes all files downloaded like that executable and then assumes it's all viruses.

y-c-o-m-b 4y ago

What are you doing with your machine that makes Windows 10 unusable? I've been on Windows 10 for years. I ran O&O ShutUp 10 a long time ago and haven't had any of the problems people are complaining about. I've had people complain about how they "shouldn't need to run Shutup 10" yeah ok valid point, but it's a weak one because I can make that point about anything on any other OS. It takes what - 10 seconds to run the application? I'm an advanced power user. There are no pop-ups, no nagging to use Edge, no search feature hostility, no crashes, nothing. Not one day has gone by where I think "wow this OS sucks, why haven't they addressed this issue". I play PC games on it, browse, code, image editing, etc. all without a single hiccup. It's been completely stable and user-friendly. I'm genuinely curious what is it specifically that bothers people about this OS because it sounds like complaining for the sake of complaining and not anything authentic at this point. I'm a software developer at a FAANG and I use a Windows machine. I listen to my Mac user colleagues complain every week: "my application crashed", "I need to reboot", "I'm forced to update see you in an hour", "I have to shut down so I can reset permissions for this app", etc. They roll their eyes when they notice I'm running Windows, but then endlessly complain about their mac systems. The cognitive dissonance is staggering.

ffwd 4y ago
This is my experience with Win 10 as well. In fact I dare say, Win 10 in the past 5 years is one of the best desktop OS's of all time. No crashes, perfect customizability to turn off things, fast and responsive. However that said, I'm extremely worried about Win 11, and when I saw all the things they changed in the taskbar (no text labels, no option to never combine icons), the right click menu and so on, I was very disappointed. I did get the send to menu back with a thing and I know you can use winaerotweaker to get all the old stuff back, but a part of me wants to be on the native OS stuff whenever possible and not change core OS with third party apps. But I'm also worried about what they might further do in the future and in 5-10 years, incompatibility in programs/etc with Win 10 might make using it very bothersome so you have to update at some point.
shortcake27 4y ago
You are exaggerating in an attempt to prove your point. Permissions _may_ require restarting the app once. Not weekly. MacOS major updates happen yearly, and minor every few months. Patches often don’t require restart. So that isn’t happening weekly either. Finally, “my application crashed” has absolutely nothing to do with MacOS and everything to do with the application. Nothing ever crashes for me except for Photoshop.