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The poorer you are, the more you are interested in appearing rich. Higher EV in that play allowing increased chances to mingle with rich class. The richer you

The poorer you are, the more you are interested in appearing rich. Higher EV in that play allowing increased chances to mingle with rich class. The richer you are, the more you are interested in appearing humble. Higher EV in signalling "money speaks, wealth whispers" message and appearing "down-to-earth" to win people over. Very often it pays to do the opposite of what is expected from you.

throwaway98797 4y ago
there’s this paper scissors rock thing with wealth & money poor: got to say you work hard when talking to middle class middle class: got to say you work smart if you’re talking to upper class upper class: got to say your work hard to peers, middle class, and poor, but reasons are different. for peers it’s because nihilism isn’t cool neither is being overly epicurean everyone says the right narrative to the right people, no one really knows the truth
- Spivak 4y ago
  Oh I never lie about the fact that I don’t work hard. Literally never worked a hard day in my whole life. Yet I make bank for some reason that still eludes me. I am painfully aware of my privilege working in tech which is why I don’t hide it, and try my best to spread it around in ways that aren’t self-gratifying. I’ve paid my friends’ rent, car repairs, groceries, plane tickets so they could be home for the holidays, venmoed my struggling friends so they could go out with the group, hooked them up with jobs, bought concert and festival tickets. Literally no one in my social circle is allowed to say, “sorry I can’t money’s tight.” My only conditions are that they not thank me, never pay me back in any way whatsoever, and tell no one. One of the managers in my office does the same thing since he also grew up poor and hungry. When your out to dinner with him you not escape without being stuffed to the brim, and dessert, and leftovers.
ricardobayes 4y ago
"Dress for the job you want, not the one you have"
themacguffinman 4y ago
If the actually rich people are dressing down-to-earth, why would you dress fancily to appear rich? Surely you want to also dress down-to-earth so you appear like the rich people do.
- 082349872349872 4y ago
  because you and the actually rich people are not appearing to the same audience.
  - themacguffinman 4y ago
    "Higher EV in that play allowing increased chances to mingle with rich class" means that your intended audience is the actually rich people because you want to mingle with them.
    - aebtebeten 4y ago
      I stand corrected; in that case I'd wholeheartedly agree. Do you have any concrete instances of when/where one might do this? (I'm having a failure of imagination, because IMX in capitalist countries people dress to impress their peers; the system is self-sorting as in Brave New World)
      - themacguffinman 4y ago
        A techy scenario I just made up: you're in a common space (eg a bar, gym, or conference) in San Francisco where rich venture capitalists tend to visit, so you dress like they do to fit in. Your goal isn't exactly to portray yourself as rich, but you want to portray yourself as a certain class: not necessarily a millionaire but someone who is doing well and has industry experience & connections and looks like they could lead a successful startup. One approach is to dress like other famous & successful tech founders: a nice T-shirt & hoodie. T-shirt & hoodie is also just comfortable and common, which is exactly why those famous & successful founders wear it, they're not showing off traditionally by wearing $10,000 tailored suits, they're wearing a T-shirt & hoodie that anyone could wear. Dressing up with a fancy suit might actually look odd amongst the Silicon Valley upper class. Edit: Another interesting example I thought of when replying to another comment is in luxury retail stores, fancy/business clothing used to be such a strong signal of high status that retail workers there would often ignore you if you walked in wearing T-shirt & jeans because they'd think you couldn't afford it. Nowadays, that's a lot less likely, they know too many people dress like this for a retail worker to safely assume anything. There are a lot of wealthy people who aren't in the news all the time and a lot of them don't dress like a traditionally wealthy person.
kyawzazaw 4y ago
> The richer you are, the more you are interested in appearing humble. Higher EV in signalling "money speaks, wealth whispers" message and appearing "down-to-earth" to win people over. Is that really the case though? Because I see a lot of university buildings and foundations named after really wealthy people. That's hardly "whsipers".
- bulbosaur123 4y ago
  Yeah, but they aren't wearing Gucci loafers and drive a Toyota Corolla instead of a pimped out Rolls Royce Phantom, therefore they are "humble" and their names on University buildings just solidify how much they value "intellectual substance" over superficial things...at least that is what they want us to believe

throwaway98797 4y ago

there’s this paper scissors rock thing with wealth & money poor: got to say you work hard when talking to middle class middle class: got to say you work smart if you’re talking to upper class upper class: got to say your work hard to peers, middle class, and poor, but reasons are different. for peers it’s because nihilism isn’t cool neither is being overly epicurean everyone says the right narrative to the right people, no one really knows the truth

Spivak 4y ago
Oh I never lie about the fact that I don’t work hard. Literally never worked a hard day in my whole life. Yet I make bank for some reason that still eludes me. I am painfully aware of my privilege working in tech which is why I don’t hide it, and try my best to spread it around in ways that aren’t self-gratifying. I’ve paid my friends’ rent, car repairs, groceries, plane tickets so they could be home for the holidays, venmoed my struggling friends so they could go out with the group, hooked them up with jobs, bought concert and festival tickets. Literally no one in my social circle is allowed to say, “sorry I can’t money’s tight.” My only conditions are that they not thank me, never pay me back in any way whatsoever, and tell no one. One of the managers in my office does the same thing since he also grew up poor and hungry. When your out to dinner with him you not escape without being stuffed to the brim, and dessert, and leftovers.

ricardobayes 4y ago

"Dress for the job you want, not the one you have"

themacguffinman 4y ago

If the actually rich people are dressing down-to-earth, why would you dress fancily to appear rich? Surely you want to also dress down-to-earth so you appear like the rich people do.

082349872349872 4y ago
because you and the actually rich people are not appearing to the same audience.
- themacguffinman 4y ago
  "Higher EV in that play allowing increased chances to mingle with rich class" means that your intended audience is the actually rich people because you want to mingle with them.
  - aebtebeten 4y ago
    I stand corrected; in that case I'd wholeheartedly agree. Do you have any concrete instances of when/where one might do this? (I'm having a failure of imagination, because IMX in capitalist countries people dress to impress their peers; the system is self-sorting as in Brave New World)
    - themacguffinman 4y ago
      A techy scenario I just made up: you're in a common space (eg a bar, gym, or conference) in San Francisco where rich venture capitalists tend to visit, so you dress like they do to fit in. Your goal isn't exactly to portray yourself as rich, but you want to portray yourself as a certain class: not necessarily a millionaire but someone who is doing well and has industry experience & connections and looks like they could lead a successful startup. One approach is to dress like other famous & successful tech founders: a nice T-shirt & hoodie. T-shirt & hoodie is also just comfortable and common, which is exactly why those famous & successful founders wear it, they're not showing off traditionally by wearing $10,000 tailored suits, they're wearing a T-shirt & hoodie that anyone could wear. Dressing up with a fancy suit might actually look odd amongst the Silicon Valley upper class. Edit: Another interesting example I thought of when replying to another comment is in luxury retail stores, fancy/business clothing used to be such a strong signal of high status that retail workers there would often ignore you if you walked in wearing T-shirt & jeans because they'd think you couldn't afford it. Nowadays, that's a lot less likely, they know too many people dress like this for a retail worker to safely assume anything. There are a lot of wealthy people who aren't in the news all the time and a lot of them don't dress like a traditionally wealthy person.

kyawzazaw 4y ago

> The richer you are, the more you are interested in appearing humble. Higher EV in signalling "money speaks, wealth whispers" message and appearing "down-to-earth" to win people over. Is that really the case though? Because I see a lot of university buildings and foundations named after really wealthy people. That's hardly "whsipers".

bulbosaur123 4y ago
Yeah, but they aren't wearing Gucci loafers and drive a Toyota Corolla instead of a pimped out Rolls Royce Phantom, therefore they are "humble" and their names on University buildings just solidify how much they value "intellectual substance" over superficial things...at least that is what they want us to believe