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One simple solution is to allow anything, with no delay, but then do the same legal process as before, and if the environmentalist wins, then the builders have

One simple solution is to allow anything, with no delay, but then do the same legal process as before, and if the environmentalist wins, then the builders have to pay compensation. Builders would make a loss on projects that caused lots of environmental harm, so wouldn't build in the first place. Effectively, instead of having a judge slowly make the decision, the company tries to guess what decision the judge will make, and if they guess wrong then they're gonna lose out financially.

luckylion 4y ago
That would just mean you can't build because the risk is too high. "Okay, so you've built infrastructure that enabled tens of thousands of households to have electricity and heat. On the other hand, you've destroyed the habitat of some bird that had to move 400m to the east. Sorry, you shouldn't have built it, please pay 300mn euros to this NGO." Nobody will dare to invest into anything.
vincnetas 4y ago
or they just go bankrupt and continue under another legal entity ;)
eyko 4y ago
Opens the door to bribing judges and corrupting the process.
- vanviegen 4y ago
  Wasn't that door already open?
croes 4y ago
Compensation doesn't undo the damage. >Builders would make a loss on projects that caused lots of environmental harm, so wouldn't build in the first place. I doubt that. They would create companies for removing forrests and after they lost in court they would file bankruptcy. The damage is done and the compensation is void. And even if they pay, money doesn't consume carbon dioxide.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  A few hundred billion dollars (or euros) does buy a lot of CO2 scrubbing and environmental remediation though. Though this would effectively mean only a few companies who can afford hundreds of billions in surety bonds can risk building anything big.
yetanotherforg 4y ago
This is how it's done in the third world. They do this in Turkiey a lot. First they build, then they pay a fine. Sometimes they have to knock down the entire building, or take 3-4 floors off, if they don't' offer to pay a fine big enough to the taste of the judge. Really, almost everywhere in the Balkans/Trayka/Middle-East runs this way. Of course, real estate is the only profitable industry in Turkiye, environment, safety regulations, and human rights be damned.

luckylion 4y ago

That would just mean you can't build because the risk is too high. "Okay, so you've built infrastructure that enabled tens of thousands of households to have electricity and heat. On the other hand, you've destroyed the habitat of some bird that had to move 400m to the east. Sorry, you shouldn't have built it, please pay 300mn euros to this NGO." Nobody will dare to invest into anything.

vincnetas 4y ago

or they just go bankrupt and continue under another legal entity ;)

eyko 4y ago

Opens the door to bribing judges and corrupting the process.

vanviegen 4y ago
Wasn't that door already open?

croes 4y ago

Compensation doesn't undo the damage. >Builders would make a loss on projects that caused lots of environmental harm, so wouldn't build in the first place. I doubt that. They would create companies for removing forrests and after they lost in court they would file bankruptcy. The damage is done and the compensation is void. And even if they pay, money doesn't consume carbon dioxide.

MichaelZuo 4y ago
A few hundred billion dollars (or euros) does buy a lot of CO2 scrubbing and environmental remediation though. Though this would effectively mean only a few companies who can afford hundreds of billions in surety bonds can risk building anything big.

yetanotherforg 4y ago

This is how it's done in the third world. They do this in Turkiey a lot. First they build, then they pay a fine. Sometimes they have to knock down the entire building, or take 3-4 floors off, if they don't' offer to pay a fine big enough to the taste of the judge. Really, almost everywhere in the Balkans/Trayka/Middle-East runs this way. Of course, real estate is the only profitable industry in Turkiye, environment, safety regulations, and human rights be damned.