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There’s an incredible amount of corruption among German politicians, especially among the “richer” parties CDU/CSU and FDP who are constantly being lobbied and

There’s an incredible amount of corruption among German politicians, especially among the “richer” parties CDU/CSU and FDP who are constantly being lobbied and bought by managers in the bigger industries (e.g. automobile and construction). That’s one of the reasons why Germany is so behind with environmental issues, technology/digitalization, and government transparency.

JanSt 4y ago
Ah sure the CDU-Gazprom connection, who doesn‘t remember? (the left is equally corrupt as the liberals/conservatives)
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someweirdperson 4y ago
> technology/digitalization This isn't held back by the bigger industries but by entrenched boundaries of responsibilities in the administration (defined in the regulations), data protection, and over-engineering. Latest example: Warning the population. Instead of simply sending SMS to all active phones in an area, it has to be cell broadcast, which doesn't work on old phones. The reason seems to be (information in media is... limited) that sending SMS would not provide a way to send a cancel/warning-end message. That's only possible with cell broadcast. And that hasn't been used so far due to data protection concerns (there's a list of phones that have been warned, i.e. were in the affected area). We cannot solve things the simple way.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Oh, it aboslutely is held back by creative lobbying. Back in late 90s / early 2000s, Telekom (recently privatized telecom monopolist and owner of the landline network) lobbied hard against building up a fibre network by over selling wire based DSL using existing copper lines. Germany still pays for this.
- foepys 4y ago
  Cell Broadcast is part of GSM since 1995. It's the phone manufacturers' fault that it doesn't work properly. Other countries have been using it for years now. SMS also gets ignored all the time since spam and fraud over it is rampant nowadays.
  - someweirdperson 4y ago
    > spam and fraud over it is rampant nowadays My mobil phone number has existed since the beginning of time. It is listed in the public phone book. It was on my private web site for a long time. I've never not handed it over to any sign-up that needed a phone number. I cannot remeber receiving any spam and/or fraud SMS, ever. Maybe I'm just lucky, or the report of huge amounts of spam/fraud SMS is elsewhere, but not in Germany.
  - trasz2 4y ago
    The only reason SMS spam exists is that it's legal. Why is it so, if not for lobbying?
- oytis 4y ago
  Well, to be fair, I liked the way it was done. It was loud and dragged attention immediately - I'm pretty sure if it was an SMS I wouldn't even notice for hours. The only drawback is that once you acknowledge the alarm, it's gone, there is no place to read it again.
- missurunha 4y ago
  Data protection sounds like a huge brainwashing that Germans have been submitted to. At my work we analyze driving data, but our internal portal cannot be made public (with public I mean accessible within the company's intranet) because there might be people and cars in the video and this would violate their data protection rights. In the end everything need some extra layers of bureaucracy to comply with the laws or is simply not done. And the funny part is that many think this is how it works in other countries too.
- realityking 4y ago
  The reason cell broadcast hadn‘t been used in Germany was a desire not to “burden” the telco providers with the implementation. I’m sure they lobbied against it. Germany went so far as to request a change in EU legislation that required cell broadcast to be used. After the last warning test day was disastrous, it was decided to implement it after all.
  - foepys 4y ago
    This wasn't done because of a failed test. Only after over 100 people drowned in their homes in July 2021 because every single layer of the government failed to warn people about flooding they decided to do something.
    - someweirdperson 4y ago
      They decided not warn. Whether or not lives could have been saved had they attempted to warn we'll probably never know.
      - foepys 4y ago
        This is not correct. A major of a town activated the town's sirens but because the only state-wide protocol in place was for citizens to return home or stay inside and turn on radio or TV, this was counterproductive. Plus, public radio and TV only started reporting after dozens of people were already dead. It was a complete failure on all fronts where the federal and state governments then tried to blame part-time mayors afterwards for not being experts in catastrophe management.
tannhaeuser 4y ago
> especially among “richer” parties CDU/CSU and FDP OTOH, Gerhard Schröder, former head of fed government, and long-time member and chief of the social-democratic party, is/was sitting in the board of Rosneft and Nord Stream. Ms Kaili, currently being accused of having taken bribes, is a member of Greece's Pasoc. Olaf Scholz, as head of the city of Hamburg and proponent of the G20 2017 summit, is responsible for unheard of chaos and destruction during said event. Without any chance of re-election, he changed mid-term into the position of a federal minister and handed his former position to unknown und unelected Peter Tschentscher. Moreover, there's been a penal charge brought against Scholz due to his role in large-scale tax fraught in the CumEx/Warburg bank affair.
- croes 4y ago
  And that's still far less than CDU/CSU/FDP have done
odiroot 4y ago
> There’s an incredible amount of corruption among German politicians, especially among the “richer” parties CDU/CSU and FDP You conveniently omitted SPD, who overall was involved in some of the biggest scandals in history of BRD. Including the current Chancellor.
hackandthink 4y ago
Sigmar Gabriel (Ex Foreign minister, SPD) At the beginning of April 2022, it was announced that Gabriel would become Chairman of the Supervisory Board of Thyssenkrupp Steel Europe (Arms industry). (Wikipedia)

JanSt 4y ago

Ah sure the CDU-Gazprom connection, who doesn‘t remember? (the left is equally corrupt as the liberals/conservatives)

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someweirdperson 4y ago

> technology/digitalization This isn't held back by the bigger industries but by entrenched boundaries of responsibilities in the administration (defined in the regulations), data protection, and over-engineering. Latest example: Warning the population. Instead of simply sending SMS to all active phones in an area, it has to be cell broadcast, which doesn't work on old phones. The reason seems to be (information in media is... limited) that sending SMS would not provide a way to send a cancel/warning-end message. That's only possible with cell broadcast. And that hasn't been used so far due to data protection concerns (there's a list of phones that have been warned, i.e. were in the affected area). We cannot solve things the simple way.

hef19898 4y ago
Oh, it aboslutely is held back by creative lobbying. Back in late 90s / early 2000s, Telekom (recently privatized telecom monopolist and owner of the landline network) lobbied hard against building up a fibre network by over selling wire based DSL using existing copper lines. Germany still pays for this.
foepys 4y ago
Cell Broadcast is part of GSM since 1995. It's the phone manufacturers' fault that it doesn't work properly. Other countries have been using it for years now. SMS also gets ignored all the time since spam and fraud over it is rampant nowadays.
- someweirdperson 4y ago
  > spam and fraud over it is rampant nowadays My mobil phone number has existed since the beginning of time. It is listed in the public phone book. It was on my private web site for a long time. I've never not handed it over to any sign-up that needed a phone number. I cannot remeber receiving any spam and/or fraud SMS, ever. Maybe I'm just lucky, or the report of huge amounts of spam/fraud SMS is elsewhere, but not in Germany.
- trasz2 4y ago
  The only reason SMS spam exists is that it's legal. Why is it so, if not for lobbying?
oytis 4y ago
Well, to be fair, I liked the way it was done. It was loud and dragged attention immediately - I'm pretty sure if it was an SMS I wouldn't even notice for hours. The only drawback is that once you acknowledge the alarm, it's gone, there is no place to read it again.
missurunha 4y ago
Data protection sounds like a huge brainwashing that Germans have been submitted to. At my work we analyze driving data, but our internal portal cannot be made public (with public I mean accessible within the company's intranet) because there might be people and cars in the video and this would violate their data protection rights. In the end everything need some extra layers of bureaucracy to comply with the laws or is simply not done. And the funny part is that many think this is how it works in other countries too.
realityking 4y ago
The reason cell broadcast hadn‘t been used in Germany was a desire not to “burden” the telco providers with the implementation. I’m sure they lobbied against it. Germany went so far as to request a change in EU legislation that required cell broadcast to be used. After the last warning test day was disastrous, it was decided to implement it after all.
- foepys 4y ago
  This wasn't done because of a failed test. Only after over 100 people drowned in their homes in July 2021 because every single layer of the government failed to warn people about flooding they decided to do something.
  - someweirdperson 4y ago
    They decided not warn. Whether or not lives could have been saved had they attempted to warn we'll probably never know.
    - foepys 4y ago
      This is not correct. A major of a town activated the town's sirens but because the only state-wide protocol in place was for citizens to return home or stay inside and turn on radio or TV, this was counterproductive. Plus, public radio and TV only started reporting after dozens of people were already dead. It was a complete failure on all fronts where the federal and state governments then tried to blame part-time mayors afterwards for not being experts in catastrophe management.

tannhaeuser 4y ago

> especially among “richer” parties CDU/CSU and FDP OTOH, Gerhard Schröder, former head of fed government, and long-time member and chief of the social-democratic party, is/was sitting in the board of Rosneft and Nord Stream. Ms Kaili, currently being accused of having taken bribes, is a member of Greece's Pasoc. Olaf Scholz, as head of the city of Hamburg and proponent of the G20 2017 summit, is responsible for unheard of chaos and destruction during said event. Without any chance of re-election, he changed mid-term into the position of a federal minister and handed his former position to unknown und unelected Peter Tschentscher. Moreover, there's been a penal charge brought against Scholz due to his role in large-scale tax fraught in the CumEx/Warburg bank affair.

croes 4y ago
And that's still far less than CDU/CSU/FDP have done

odiroot 4y ago

> There’s an incredible amount of corruption among German politicians, especially among the “richer” parties CDU/CSU and FDP You conveniently omitted SPD, who overall was involved in some of the biggest scandals in history of BRD. Including the current Chancellor.

hackandthink 4y ago

Sigmar Gabriel (Ex Foreign minister, SPD) At the beginning of April 2022, it was announced that Gabriel would become Chairman of the Supervisory Board of Thyssenkrupp Steel Europe (Arms industry). (Wikipedia)