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ChatGPT really is ridiculously good. I’ve had it writing harmonic progressions recently and it does that well too. I can give it a song structure and mood and i

ChatGPT really is ridiculously good. I’ve had it writing harmonic progressions recently and it does that well too. I can give it a song structure and mood and it will quickly generate a chord progression for the song, breaks it out into sections and explains how the chord choices create the requested mood. I’m shocked at how well they have worked.

_moog 4y ago
It wrote a sad song for me in A7m that was actually quite good. So far I've been blown away by its ability to not only understand what I'm asking, but provide decent answers and clarify something or update its answer when it's wrong.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  What does "in A7m" mean? In A minor using only 7th chords?
  - Method-X 4y ago
    I asked ChatGPT: In the context of music, the letter "A" refers to a musical note, and the number "7" refers to a chord. The chord is called a dominant seventh chord, and it is built by taking the first, third, fifth, and seventh notes of the A major scale. The letter "m" stands for minor, which means that the chord is a minor chord rather than a major chord. So, the chord "A7m" is an A minor seventh chord.
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      Which is wrong - that's Am7! (BTW without any further qualification a "7" is assumed to be a minor 7th, even for a major key - and you can even have Am maj7, i.e. an A minor chord with a major 7th - i.e. a G# - added). A7m doesn't mean anything to me - even if it were Am7, it's not a key a piece can be "in"... Oh and also "a dominant 7th" chord is specifically the chord formed on the fifth note of the scale, so a dominant 7th in Am is an E7 chord (and a dominant 7th is always a major chord, with a minor 7th!). Edit: I asked it whether it thought A7m made sense in that context... "A7m is not a meaningful description of a key that a piece of music could be in. In music, the key of a piece refers to the tonal center around which the melody and harmonies are built. Keys are typically designated by a letter name, such as C, D, or E, and may include additional information about the type of scale (major or minor) and the presence of any accidentals (sharp or flat notes that are not part of the key's natural scale). For example, a piece in the key of C major would be indicated as "C major" or simply "C," while a piece in the key of A minor would be indicated as "A minor" or "A."" (there was a second paragraph attempting to convince me that A7m was a description of chord, similar to what you posted. Note that the above description is basically correct, though the way it describes accidentals is not quite how I'd put it, plus it would be unusual to ever say something was just in "A" if it were actually in A minor).
      - wizofaus 4y ago
        (I then got it to give me an example of a well-known song in Am and it replied "Love me to death" by Type O negative, of all things. That's actually in G# minor - interesting the web in general does a really bad job of guessing what key that's in too, most of the responses from a google search say F# major! I'd think "Stairway to heaven" would be about the best known song in A minor - looking at some of the Google results I suspect part of the problem is interpreting the "A" as the indefinite article rather than the note name?)
    - Thorentis 4y ago
      Does this type of explanation actually help the neural net do anything? If ChatGPT is just combining other instances of A minor music it has been trained on, and has no ability to "understand" what "letters referring to musical notes" actually is, why bother explaining this? Have you tried simply asking it up front to use an am7 chord as the basis for a chord progression or song?
      - IAmGraydon 4y ago
        That’s correct. It already knows what “works” musically because it’s likely seen many thousands of harmonic progressions in its training data. The input we give it just constrains it rather than teaching it something new. At least that’s my guess.
whyenot 4y ago
I had it write a letter of recommendation. Give it some details in a sentence or two and it can produce a surprisingly good result. I didn’t actually send it, doing so would have been wrong and unethical. I really just wanted to see if it was even possible. I wrote the real letter without using an AI. Still, the letter ChatGPT genersted were perfectly acceptable. Using it could have saved me a lot of time. …and I also had ChatGPT write a version of this post. I think it did a good job.
- Spivak 4y ago
  Why is it wrong or unethical? The letter typed with your own fingers isn’t any different than the one you wrote with a tool and tweaked. The essential element is that it reflects your feelings and you’re willing stand by the words. Surely being able to produce the same result with less human time and effort is a good in and of itself. I have a friend who is using it to write donation thank you letters with it and they produce great results.
keepquestioning 4y ago
How does ChatGPT know about music?

_moog 4y ago

It wrote a sad song for me in A7m that was actually quite good. So far I've been blown away by its ability to not only understand what I'm asking, but provide decent answers and clarify something or update its answer when it's wrong.

wizofaus 4y ago
What does "in A7m" mean? In A minor using only 7th chords?
- Method-X 4y ago
  I asked ChatGPT: In the context of music, the letter "A" refers to a musical note, and the number "7" refers to a chord. The chord is called a dominant seventh chord, and it is built by taking the first, third, fifth, and seventh notes of the A major scale. The letter "m" stands for minor, which means that the chord is a minor chord rather than a major chord. So, the chord "A7m" is an A minor seventh chord.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    Which is wrong - that's Am7! (BTW without any further qualification a "7" is assumed to be a minor 7th, even for a major key - and you can even have Am maj7, i.e. an A minor chord with a major 7th - i.e. a G# - added). A7m doesn't mean anything to me - even if it were Am7, it's not a key a piece can be "in"... Oh and also "a dominant 7th" chord is specifically the chord formed on the fifth note of the scale, so a dominant 7th in Am is an E7 chord (and a dominant 7th is always a major chord, with a minor 7th!). Edit: I asked it whether it thought A7m made sense in that context... "A7m is not a meaningful description of a key that a piece of music could be in. In music, the key of a piece refers to the tonal center around which the melody and harmonies are built. Keys are typically designated by a letter name, such as C, D, or E, and may include additional information about the type of scale (major or minor) and the presence of any accidentals (sharp or flat notes that are not part of the key's natural scale). For example, a piece in the key of C major would be indicated as "C major" or simply "C," while a piece in the key of A minor would be indicated as "A minor" or "A."" (there was a second paragraph attempting to convince me that A7m was a description of chord, similar to what you posted. Note that the above description is basically correct, though the way it describes accidentals is not quite how I'd put it, plus it would be unusual to ever say something was just in "A" if it were actually in A minor).
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      (I then got it to give me an example of a well-known song in Am and it replied "Love me to death" by Type O negative, of all things. That's actually in G# minor - interesting the web in general does a really bad job of guessing what key that's in too, most of the responses from a google search say F# major! I'd think "Stairway to heaven" would be about the best known song in A minor - looking at some of the Google results I suspect part of the problem is interpreting the "A" as the indefinite article rather than the note name?)
  - Thorentis 4y ago
    Does this type of explanation actually help the neural net do anything? If ChatGPT is just combining other instances of A minor music it has been trained on, and has no ability to "understand" what "letters referring to musical notes" actually is, why bother explaining this? Have you tried simply asking it up front to use an am7 chord as the basis for a chord progression or song?
    - IAmGraydon 4y ago
      That’s correct. It already knows what “works” musically because it’s likely seen many thousands of harmonic progressions in its training data. The input we give it just constrains it rather than teaching it something new. At least that’s my guess.

whyenot 4y ago

I had it write a letter of recommendation. Give it some details in a sentence or two and it can produce a surprisingly good result. I didn’t actually send it, doing so would have been wrong and unethical. I really just wanted to see if it was even possible. I wrote the real letter without using an AI. Still, the letter ChatGPT genersted were perfectly acceptable. Using it could have saved me a lot of time. …and I also had ChatGPT write a version of this post. I think it did a good job.

Spivak 4y ago
Why is it wrong or unethical? The letter typed with your own fingers isn’t any different than the one you wrote with a tool and tweaked. The essential element is that it reflects your feelings and you’re willing stand by the words. Surely being able to produce the same result with less human time and effort is a good in and of itself. I have a friend who is using it to write donation thank you letters with it and they produce great results.

keepquestioning 4y ago

How does ChatGPT know about music?