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Forget rain and snow, they can't even handle non-California roads yet. I had the misfortune of taking a rental on narrow mountain roads and it actively attempt

Forget rain and snow, they can't even handle non-California roads yet. I had the misfortune of taking a rental on narrow mountain roads and it actively attempted to kill us twice. While moving over to pass an oncoming car, the lane keeping feature decided we were too close to the shoulder and started steering us back into the oncoming car. After pulling over, regaining my composure for a few minutes, and figuring out how to disable it; somehow it activated again on a different day and it happened again.

kennend3 4y ago
> somehow it activated again on a different day and it happened again. I dont have a tesla but my car has things like "lane assist" and most of these safety features can be turned off, but the default state is "ON" and this is reset once the car is turned off/on again. Oddly enough, what it calls "advanced cruse control" defaults to OFF on my car and must be turned on any time you want to use it?
- angry_moose 4y ago
  Yeah, I think it was something like that. Once I began checking for it, it seemed inconsistent - possibly related to how long the car was off? The joys of modern technology - every time I get in my car, I have to spend 15 seconds checking the state of the "Car may decide to murder you setting". Granted it did fine on wider, more developed roads once we got closer to larger towns, and it would probably do fine in my day-to-day life; but that whole experience has left me really shaken on any self driving tech. The roads it fell apart on weren't even that bad - well paved and maintained, just narrow and without any sort of center stripe.
  - kennend3 4y ago
    "lane assist" can defiantly be annoying. While mine doesn't try to kill me by driving off a cliff... It does seem to prefer that i drive dangerously close to those cement "jersey barrier" walls they use in construction sites?? The lane narrows due to construction and it prefers to maintain the lane even thought it is too narrow... I don't get why it cant detect the barrier and realize that driving over the line is safer? This is my big issue with the whole "FSD" - roads are not uniform and driving conditions are not always idea. Let's say FSD is fine for 80% of the time, but what happens if drivers depend on it and it is now in the 20%? I think giving drivers a false sense of security is very harmful. Psychologists have shown time and again that as car safety improves, driver aggression only increases to remove the benefits. ABS - You can now drive faster knowing you wont skid... "lane assist" has shown that people will depend on it and allow their cars to drive right off the road and into the ditch (youtube has a lot of these). FSB will only be worse.
- ilyt 4y ago
  That is because NCAP and rest only counts features that are on after starting car into that rating. Similarly MPG rating also requires that, which is why stuff like auto stop/start and the safety features don't remember settings after restart.

kennend3 4y ago

> somehow it activated again on a different day and it happened again. I dont have a tesla but my car has things like "lane assist" and most of these safety features can be turned off, but the default state is "ON" and this is reset once the car is turned off/on again. Oddly enough, what it calls "advanced cruse control" defaults to OFF on my car and must be turned on any time you want to use it?

angry_moose 4y ago
Yeah, I think it was something like that. Once I began checking for it, it seemed inconsistent - possibly related to how long the car was off? The joys of modern technology - every time I get in my car, I have to spend 15 seconds checking the state of the "Car may decide to murder you setting". Granted it did fine on wider, more developed roads once we got closer to larger towns, and it would probably do fine in my day-to-day life; but that whole experience has left me really shaken on any self driving tech. The roads it fell apart on weren't even that bad - well paved and maintained, just narrow and without any sort of center stripe.
- kennend3 4y ago
  "lane assist" can defiantly be annoying. While mine doesn't try to kill me by driving off a cliff... It does seem to prefer that i drive dangerously close to those cement "jersey barrier" walls they use in construction sites?? The lane narrows due to construction and it prefers to maintain the lane even thought it is too narrow... I don't get why it cant detect the barrier and realize that driving over the line is safer? This is my big issue with the whole "FSD" - roads are not uniform and driving conditions are not always idea. Let's say FSD is fine for 80% of the time, but what happens if drivers depend on it and it is now in the 20%? I think giving drivers a false sense of security is very harmful. Psychologists have shown time and again that as car safety improves, driver aggression only increases to remove the benefits. ABS - You can now drive faster knowing you wont skid... "lane assist" has shown that people will depend on it and allow their cars to drive right off the road and into the ditch (youtube has a lot of these). FSB will only be worse.
ilyt 4y ago
That is because NCAP and rest only counts features that are on after starting car into that rating. Similarly MPG rating also requires that, which is why stuff like auto stop/start and the safety features don't remember settings after restart.