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What are the green and black striped rectangles? https://wp.technologyreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/2022-12-09-09_41_42-Soar-_-Discover-your-Earth.png https://wp.technologyreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/2... Edit: Thanks for the info, you are super quick! I have a follow-up question: Why build it 170km long and only 0.2km wide? This seems super inefficient, compared to making it shorter and wider. What's the advantage? Lots of things will be (unnecessarily) far apart. Won't this be annoying for those living in this archeology?

s1artibartfast 4y ago
I don't think it's as dumb as some people claim. The basic premise is that everything could run off of a single mainline/bus. I think the inefficiencies are overstated and gains are generally underrated.
- BoGoToTo 4y ago
  MBS plays Factorio confirmed?
  - kortex 4y ago
    I use a very linear mall style layout. But the difference in my design is each module juts out orthogonal to the main bus and tiles linearly. So as the bus grows, each "spine" grows outward to increase capacity. But it can't continue indefinitely - eventually the module-bus bandwith bottleneck dominates, and I have to start a totally separate bus in parallel. Neom will run into the same problem, except without the ability to first scale laterally. There's a reason logistical systems aren't a straight fuckin line. Cities are logistics machines. I think the average Factorio noob has put more thought into layout design than the architects of Neom. I can think off many ideas off the top of my head which would be striking, revolutionary, and less dumb than a line when it comes to logistics. Hell, even a circle (of limited width) would be better, as your worst case transit time immediately is cut in half.
- cma 4y ago
  Say it is a cross shape instead with one interchange/ hub in the middle. Now everywhere is like half as far away as before. Continue adding spokes. Now we're back to a filled circle with a central core more like traditional cities and I bet buildings would end up much taller in the core.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    I get that. Alone and maximizes the distance between any two random points. A circle minimizes the distance between any two random points. However, it gets more interesting if you're not flying like a bird between the two points. If you are taking metro rail, you care about your distance to a stop which you will walk plus the travel time that you will ride, and number of transfers. As you see, it becomes a lot more complicated. You would have to put down a lot more rail so that every person in a circle is within 200 M of a rail line. A line 170km by 200m wide has an area of 34km^2. This equals a circle with a diameter of 6.6km. it would take 694km of rail to fill that circle with a grid so that no point is further than 100m from the lines. The same holds true for your power, water and sewage infrastructure.
    - magicalist 4y ago
      > it would take 694km of rail to fill that circle with a grid so that no point is further than 100m from the lines. Rail stations wouldn't be 200m apart, though, so maximum distance to the lines is too simplistic a measure to use for this.
      - s1artibartfast 4y ago
        It is probably more applicable for water mains and other infrastructure, but it was just an example of the concept.
gruez 4y ago
>Arrays of solar panels have been shaded in green.
jdsnape 4y ago
Solar panels - the colour is applied by the publication to highlight it
prepend 4y ago
Aside from being cool, I think the idea is to be zero carbon so they need someway to have solar panels that sustain a certain population without having huge solar farms hanging off sections.
jws 4y ago
The long and narrow is a different aesthetic. A dweller will likely dwell in a dwelling with a view of the desert or sea unbroken to the horizon. When you come home you will look out upon a large natural world with a stunning unobstructed sunrise or sunset (choose your side wisely) every day. You are "in a city", but you are "living on Earth", both are present, separated by your front door.. Culturally, most of the residents will be observing sunrise and sunset prayers which makes the transitions of the sun a little more anchoring. Traditionally morning prayer is twilight until sunrise, the evening is sunset until the red leaves the sky in the west. (So says Wikipedia anyway, then it gets into astronomical math, so I expect everyone just has an app for it now.)

s1artibartfast 4y ago

I don't think it's as dumb as some people claim. The basic premise is that everything could run off of a single mainline/bus. I think the inefficiencies are overstated and gains are generally underrated.

BoGoToTo 4y ago
MBS plays Factorio confirmed?
- kortex 4y ago
  I use a very linear mall style layout. But the difference in my design is each module juts out orthogonal to the main bus and tiles linearly. So as the bus grows, each "spine" grows outward to increase capacity. But it can't continue indefinitely - eventually the module-bus bandwith bottleneck dominates, and I have to start a totally separate bus in parallel. Neom will run into the same problem, except without the ability to first scale laterally. There's a reason logistical systems aren't a straight fuckin line. Cities are logistics machines. I think the average Factorio noob has put more thought into layout design than the architects of Neom. I can think off many ideas off the top of my head which would be striking, revolutionary, and less dumb than a line when it comes to logistics. Hell, even a circle (of limited width) would be better, as your worst case transit time immediately is cut in half.
cma 4y ago
Say it is a cross shape instead with one interchange/ hub in the middle. Now everywhere is like half as far away as before. Continue adding spokes. Now we're back to a filled circle with a central core more like traditional cities and I bet buildings would end up much taller in the core.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  I get that. Alone and maximizes the distance between any two random points. A circle minimizes the distance between any two random points. However, it gets more interesting if you're not flying like a bird between the two points. If you are taking metro rail, you care about your distance to a stop which you will walk plus the travel time that you will ride, and number of transfers. As you see, it becomes a lot more complicated. You would have to put down a lot more rail so that every person in a circle is within 200 M of a rail line. A line 170km by 200m wide has an area of 34km^2. This equals a circle with a diameter of 6.6km. it would take 694km of rail to fill that circle with a grid so that no point is further than 100m from the lines. The same holds true for your power, water and sewage infrastructure.
  - magicalist 4y ago
    > it would take 694km of rail to fill that circle with a grid so that no point is further than 100m from the lines. Rail stations wouldn't be 200m apart, though, so maximum distance to the lines is too simplistic a measure to use for this.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      It is probably more applicable for water mains and other infrastructure, but it was just an example of the concept.

gruez 4y ago

>Arrays of solar panels have been shaded in green.

jdsnape 4y ago

Solar panels - the colour is applied by the publication to highlight it

prepend 4y ago

Aside from being cool, I think the idea is to be zero carbon so they need someway to have solar panels that sustain a certain population without having huge solar farms hanging off sections.

jws 4y ago

The long and narrow is a different aesthetic. A dweller will likely dwell in a dwelling with a view of the desert or sea unbroken to the horizon. When you come home you will look out upon a large natural world with a stunning unobstructed sunrise or sunset (choose your side wisely) every day. You are "in a city", but you are "living on Earth", both are present, separated by your front door.. Culturally, most of the residents will be observing sunrise and sunset prayers which makes the transitions of the sun a little more anchoring. Traditionally morning prayer is twilight until sunrise, the evening is sunset until the red leaves the sky in the west. (So says Wikipedia anyway, then it gets into astronomical math, so I expect everyone just has an app for it now.)