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We are not paying 800 EUR / month for these 14 VPs, we are paying more than 22.000 EUR / month, each, which is somewhere between 3.7 and 4.6 million EUR / year

We are not paying 800 EUR / month for these 14 VPs, we are paying more than 22.000 EUR / month, each, which is somewhere between 3.7 and 4.6 million EUR / year in total, for the 14 VPs. That can definitely make a difference in many European citizens' lives (although, not all Europeans at the same time, of course).

BaRRaKID 4y ago
Definitely not many. How many people do you think there are in Europe? 4.6 million EUR would allow you to give 1€ to 1% of the entire EU population. On the other hand you can say that these VPs are in part responsible for the 2 trillion EUR covid recovery plan, which would allow 100% of the EU population to receive around 4500€.
layer8 4y ago
The argument was about whether there should be 14 VPs: “why have one vice-president when you can have 14 at fourteen times the price?” If they weren’t VPs, they would still be regular MPs, so only a 800 € difference.
- wizeman 4y ago
  > If they weren’t VPs, they would still be regular MPs, so only a 800 € difference. But if those 14 VPs were MPs then there wouldn't be the need for 14 other MPs. Which means that the difference per VP would be the price of an MP + 800 EUR (of difference between VP and MP), which is exactly the price of a VP. In other words, no, the difference would still be ~3.7 - 4.6 million / year in total.
  - layer8 4y ago
    Being a VP is just a role you can assume as an MEP. Reducing the number of VPs won’t reduce the number of MEPs. Reducing the number of MEPs is orthogonal to reducing the number of VPs.
drexlspivey 4y ago
> The monthly gross MEP salary, under the single statute, is €9,386.29 (from 01/01/2022). It is paid out of the Parliament's budget. All MEPs pay EU tax and insurance contributions, after which the salary is €7,316.63. First result on Google for MEP salary. Where did you get the 22000 from?
- wizeman 4y ago
  Your source doesn't mention: 1. Daily subsistence allowance (~5000 EUR/month) 2. General expenditure allowance (~4300 EUR/month) 3. Travel allowances (up to ~2400 EUR/month) 4. Vice-president allowance (~800 EUR/month) These are numbers for 2014, when the base salary was ~8000 EUR/month. Since the base salary is now ~9400 EUR/month, you can probably add another 20% on top of the numbers I just mentioned. That is, of course, assuming they didn't come up with more allowances since then... Plus they get another 70% of everything they earned as a pension. They also pay a small EU tax instead of a regular income tax like the peasants. And I wouldn't be surprised if the base monthly salary was payed 14 or 15 times per year rather than the 12 that many people usually assume. At least, that's what happens in the European countries I've lived in.

BaRRaKID 4y ago

Definitely not many. How many people do you think there are in Europe? 4.6 million EUR would allow you to give 1€ to 1% of the entire EU population. On the other hand you can say that these VPs are in part responsible for the 2 trillion EUR covid recovery plan, which would allow 100% of the EU population to receive around 4500€.

layer8 4y ago

The argument was about whether there should be 14 VPs: “why have one vice-president when you can have 14 at fourteen times the price?” If they weren’t VPs, they would still be regular MPs, so only a 800 € difference.

wizeman 4y ago
> If they weren’t VPs, they would still be regular MPs, so only a 800 € difference. But if those 14 VPs were MPs then there wouldn't be the need for 14 other MPs. Which means that the difference per VP would be the price of an MP + 800 EUR (of difference between VP and MP), which is exactly the price of a VP. In other words, no, the difference would still be ~3.7 - 4.6 million / year in total.
- layer8 4y ago
  Being a VP is just a role you can assume as an MEP. Reducing the number of VPs won’t reduce the number of MEPs. Reducing the number of MEPs is orthogonal to reducing the number of VPs.

drexlspivey 4y ago

> The monthly gross MEP salary, under the single statute, is €9,386.29 (from 01/01/2022). It is paid out of the Parliament's budget. All MEPs pay EU tax and insurance contributions, after which the salary is €7,316.63. First result on Google for MEP salary. Where did you get the 22000 from?

wizeman 4y ago
Your source doesn't mention: 1. Daily subsistence allowance (~5000 EUR/month) 2. General expenditure allowance (~4300 EUR/month) 3. Travel allowances (up to ~2400 EUR/month) 4. Vice-president allowance (~800 EUR/month) These are numbers for 2014, when the base salary was ~8000 EUR/month. Since the base salary is now ~9400 EUR/month, you can probably add another 20% on top of the numbers I just mentioned. That is, of course, assuming they didn't come up with more allowances since then... Plus they get another 70% of everything they earned as a pension. They also pay a small EU tax instead of a regular income tax like the peasants. And I wouldn't be surprised if the base monthly salary was payed 14 or 15 times per year rather than the 12 that many people usually assume. At least, that's what happens in the European countries I've lived in.