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It is totally fine if you don't like Elon, but in the real world there isn't an EV that is cheap and available and has a good charging network. The ID4 is dece

It is totally fine if you don't like Elon, but in the real world there isn't an EV that is cheap and available and has a good charging network. The ID4 is decent but that company was started by actual Hitler and Nazis, so if you are interested in not buying from companies that have a history of evil leadership that one isn't a good option. And gas cars are not good for CO2 emissions, so sometimes you have to accept that you sometime buy products made by companies that have executives you don't like. And realistically I find it very unlikely that every product you buy on a regular basis today is run by people who have much better morals and politics than Elon.

slg 4y ago
> The ID4 is decent but that company was started by actual Hitler and Nazis, so if you are interested in not buying from companies that have a history of evil leadership that one isn't a good option. This is a wild comment. The current leadership is slightly more important than the leadership 80 years ago. It is especially strange considering you could have made moral arguments against that company based off much more recent misdeeds.
- coolbreezetft22 4y ago
  Yep, there was 'diesel-gate' back in the early-mid 2010s and even today the way the company overlooks the behavior of the Chinese government is also very unsavory (a problem Elon has as well)
- sgt101 4y ago
  Also I don't wear Hugo Boss because they made the uniforms for the SS. And... Hugo Boss suits make me look like a wardrobe on legs... and are too expensive... but for sure the SS thing.
ryantgtg 4y ago
Shell/Chevron/Exxon/etc vs Elon. Hmm, let me think…
coolbreezetft22 4y ago
Interestingly I did end up buying an ID4 and it's been great for a full year now. It's not perfect but I like that is has more of a "traditional" interior compared to Tesla, which felt kind of like a giant tablet with a car-shaped case around it. That design was already making me hesitant and Elon with his endless stream of nonsense was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.
- gitfan86 4y ago
  Ironically the VW CEO that is responsible for the ID4 asked Elon to explain to his executives how to make EVs. https://electrek.co/2021/10/16/vw-ceo-herbert-diess-invites-elon-musk-to-talk-on-how-tesla-innovates-quickly/ https://electrek.co/2021/10/16/vw-ceo-herbert-diess-invites-...
djaychela 4y ago
>It is totally fine if you don't like Elon, but in the real world there isn't an EV that is cheap and available and has a good charging network. My Renault Zoe would like a word with you. Cheaper than a tesla (in not rich, and I bought one), available, and can charge everywhere.
projektfu 4y ago
It's a good thing you instead use a car that doesn't have any Bosch parts.

slg 4y ago

> The ID4 is decent but that company was started by actual Hitler and Nazis, so if you are interested in not buying from companies that have a history of evil leadership that one isn't a good option. This is a wild comment. The current leadership is slightly more important than the leadership 80 years ago. It is especially strange considering you could have made moral arguments against that company based off much more recent misdeeds.

coolbreezetft22 4y ago
Yep, there was 'diesel-gate' back in the early-mid 2010s and even today the way the company overlooks the behavior of the Chinese government is also very unsavory (a problem Elon has as well)
sgt101 4y ago
Also I don't wear Hugo Boss because they made the uniforms for the SS. And... Hugo Boss suits make me look like a wardrobe on legs... and are too expensive... but for sure the SS thing.

ryantgtg 4y ago

Shell/Chevron/Exxon/etc vs Elon. Hmm, let me think…

coolbreezetft22 4y ago

Interestingly I did end up buying an ID4 and it's been great for a full year now. It's not perfect but I like that is has more of a "traditional" interior compared to Tesla, which felt kind of like a giant tablet with a car-shaped case around it. That design was already making me hesitant and Elon with his endless stream of nonsense was the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.

gitfan86 4y ago
Ironically the VW CEO that is responsible for the ID4 asked Elon to explain to his executives how to make EVs. https://electrek.co/2021/10/16/vw-ceo-herbert-diess-invites-elon-musk-to-talk-on-how-tesla-innovates-quickly/ https://electrek.co/2021/10/16/vw-ceo-herbert-diess-invites-...

djaychela 4y ago

>It is totally fine if you don't like Elon, but in the real world there isn't an EV that is cheap and available and has a good charging network. My Renault Zoe would like a word with you. Cheaper than a tesla (in not rich, and I bought one), available, and can charge everywhere.

projektfu 4y ago

It's a good thing you instead use a car that doesn't have any Bosch parts.