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The failure to understand the context of the quote is palpable in both the article and comments. This is a standard legal argument used as a defence against al

by epgui 4y ago

The failure to understand the context of the quote is palpable in both the article and comments. This is a standard legal argument used as a defence against allegations of fraud, and it’s not a judgment of how successful (or not) the product is. The only thing it means is “notwithstanding whether we’ve achieved our goals, we have been honest and well-intentioned”.

FireBeyond 4y ago
> we have been honest Well, that's also the thing - internal docs and interviews have shown that Musk was well aware that "FSD will be here, this year", year after year, was not ever going to be true.
- epgui 4y ago
  I must have missed that memo. Do you have a reliable source for this?
  - FireBeyond 4y ago
    "“Elon's tweet does not match engineering reality per CJ. Tesla is at Level 2 currently,” the California DMV said in the memo about its March 9th conference call with Tesla representatives, including the director of Autopilot software CJ Moore... In an earnings call in January, Musk told investors that he was “highly confident the car will be able to drive itself with reliability in excess of human this year.” "“Tesla indicated that Elon is extrapolating on the rates of improvement when speaking about L5 capabilities. Tesla couldn’t say if the rate of improvement would make it to L5 by end of calendar year”, the document showed. Sources: https://www.businessinsider.in/business/auto/news/a-leaked-memo-from-tesla-reportedly-shows-that-its-fully-self-driving-car-is-still-far-from-being-a-reality/articleshow/82477131.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/business/auto/news/a-leaked-m... | https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/7/22424592/tesla-elon-musk-autopilot-dmv-fsd-exaggeration https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/7/22424592/tesla-elon-musk-a...
electrondood 4y ago
Thank you. People here are just reacting to the headline and general dislike of Musk.
- bhauer 4y ago
  It's really as bad as Reddit in here. I would expect better from a technical audience.
  - leobg 4y ago
    My thoughts exactly. Every time Tesla comes up. It’s like Reddit with women.

by epgui 4y ago

FireBeyond 4y ago

> we have been honest Well, that's also the thing - internal docs and interviews have shown that Musk was well aware that "FSD will be here, this year", year after year, was not ever going to be true.

epgui 4y ago
I must have missed that memo. Do you have a reliable source for this?
- FireBeyond 4y ago
  "“Elon's tweet does not match engineering reality per CJ. Tesla is at Level 2 currently,” the California DMV said in the memo about its March 9th conference call with Tesla representatives, including the director of Autopilot software CJ Moore... In an earnings call in January, Musk told investors that he was “highly confident the car will be able to drive itself with reliability in excess of human this year.” "“Tesla indicated that Elon is extrapolating on the rates of improvement when speaking about L5 capabilities. Tesla couldn’t say if the rate of improvement would make it to L5 by end of calendar year”, the document showed. Sources: https://www.businessinsider.in/business/auto/news/a-leaked-memo-from-tesla-reportedly-shows-that-its-fully-self-driving-car-is-still-far-from-being-a-reality/articleshow/82477131.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/business/auto/news/a-leaked-m... | https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/7/22424592/tesla-elon-musk-autopilot-dmv-fsd-exaggeration https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/7/22424592/tesla-elon-musk-a...

electrondood 4y ago

Thank you. People here are just reacting to the headline and general dislike of Musk.

bhauer 4y ago
It's really as bad as Reddit in here. I would expect better from a technical audience.
- leobg 4y ago
  My thoughts exactly. Every time Tesla comes up. It’s like Reddit with women.