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I've owned Tesla's since 2016. At no time did I base my purchases on what the cars might be able to do in the future, only what they can do right now. Nor did I

I've owned Tesla's since 2016. At no time did I base my purchases on what the cars might be able to do in the future, only what they can do right now. Nor did I see any compelling reason to donate $10k - $15k to their R&D effort. The cars were compelling enough on their own merits and remain so. The FSD fiasco really does a disservice to what is otherwise a revolutionary car company producing excellent automobiles.

joering2 4y ago
How is Tesla revolutionary? We had electric cars (on Moon!!) in 1969 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle
- bagels 4y ago
  The Tesla is slightly more comfortable, convenient, and I don't have to commission a whole Apollo program to get one.
  - joering2 4y ago
    That's all true, however... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolutionary https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolutionary
    - bagels 4y ago
      Prior to Tesla, there was not really any mass market electric car and charging network. Seems revolutionary, since all the other manufacturers are following the lead to make their own electric cars now.
- alsodumb 4y ago
  We had social media before Facebook/instagram era too. Heck we had electric cars before gasoline powered cars became a thing. I think it’s obvious at this point that Tesla was the first to bring commercial electric vehicles in production at scale, and the first to make it compete with ICE vehicles for the masses - well beyond the niche who’ve been using an electric car since Leaf era.
  - joering2 4y ago
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolutionary https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolutionary
- blisterpeanuts 4y ago
  Unlike the Apollo LRV (Lunar Roving Vehicle), you don't need a spacesuit to drive a Tesla. Plus, I think a Tesla has more range. As an interesting aside, the LRV had non-rechargeable batteries (two 36-volt silver-zinc potassium hydroxide non-rechargeable batteries with a capacity of 121 amp-hr, according to Nasa).
throwaway1777 4y ago
Yeah excellent aside from the subpar build quality and horrible service. The ev tech is the main part of a Tesla that was revolutionary. Unfortunately this is all irrelevant to the self driving fraud perspective and the multitudes who bought cars or more important stock in the company based on future prospects that Tesla advertised.
meling 4y ago
Agree with this and I also haven’t paid for FSD. Except at some point Tesla offered FSD along with a computer upgrade for about $1500. I took the deal. But I didn’t pay for FSD when I switched to Model Y. Interestingly, I’ve been able to turn on the FSD even though I didn’t pay for it.

joering2 4y ago

How is Tesla revolutionary? We had electric cars (on Moon!!) in 1969 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle

bagels 4y ago
The Tesla is slightly more comfortable, convenient, and I don't have to commission a whole Apollo program to get one.
- joering2 4y ago
  That's all true, however... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolutionary https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolutionary
  - bagels 4y ago
    Prior to Tesla, there was not really any mass market electric car and charging network. Seems revolutionary, since all the other manufacturers are following the lead to make their own electric cars now.
alsodumb 4y ago
We had social media before Facebook/instagram era too. Heck we had electric cars before gasoline powered cars became a thing. I think it’s obvious at this point that Tesla was the first to bring commercial electric vehicles in production at scale, and the first to make it compete with ICE vehicles for the masses - well beyond the niche who’ve been using an electric car since Leaf era.
- joering2 4y ago
  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolutionary https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolutionary
blisterpeanuts 4y ago
Unlike the Apollo LRV (Lunar Roving Vehicle), you don't need a spacesuit to drive a Tesla. Plus, I think a Tesla has more range. As an interesting aside, the LRV had non-rechargeable batteries (two 36-volt silver-zinc potassium hydroxide non-rechargeable batteries with a capacity of 121 amp-hr, according to Nasa).

throwaway1777 4y ago

Yeah excellent aside from the subpar build quality and horrible service. The ev tech is the main part of a Tesla that was revolutionary. Unfortunately this is all irrelevant to the self driving fraud perspective and the multitudes who bought cars or more important stock in the company based on future prospects that Tesla advertised.

meling 4y ago

Agree with this and I also haven’t paid for FSD. Except at some point Tesla offered FSD along with a computer upgrade for about $1500. I took the deal. But I didn’t pay for FSD when I switched to Model Y. Interestingly, I’ve been able to turn on the FSD even though I didn’t pay for it.