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I suggest you take a lot here with a grain of salt because either of personal opinions or half-reporting data, eg: - She was removed from the party just yester

by gbil 4y ago

I suggest you take a lot here with a grain of salt because either of personal opinions or half-reporting data, eg: - She was removed from the party just yesterday afternoon after the publication of the topic - Vote abstention is around 40-45% out of ~9,98m registered to vote (on 2019 elections) on a country of 10,4m people (census 2021) !!!!!! Never understood how this is even possible - The specific person entered politics after a lot of the listed topics took place and her background was not a political one anyhow EDIT: format

bpfrh 4y ago
The vote abstention should be right, I searched on the greek voting system and I don't see any requirement besides[1]: * having the greek citizenship * being older than 17 * Not being dissalowed by the court to vote All citizens get automatically added to the "registered vote" after they turn 17. E.g. A greek citizen is always a registered voter even if he doesn't go and vote. If we take the 2019 numbers we have: 9961718 registered voters 4192215 voters who didn't fill out the forms (I assume non voters are counted this way) (4192215×100)÷9961718 ~=42% Are non voters [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Greece https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Greece [2]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlamentswahl_in_Griechenland_2019#Wahlsystem https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlamentswahl_in_Griechenland... Edit: formatting, add a note about what the 42% means
- gbil 4y ago
  Your math is fine starting from the 9,9m number but you didn't take into account what I wrote, which is that the total population of greece is 10,4 millions. Registered voters are those >=17 years old so only 500k are <17 which of course is not valid EDIT: adding more data, official numbers state ~1,5m of age 0-14. Let's say 200k more in the 15-16 range, that is ~1,7m 10,4-1,7 = 8,7m >=17 years old. Population of Greece dropped by about 400k between the previous and current census (2011-2021) while the registered voters number from 2009 elections hasn't changed. I'm afraid that 1,7m gap is not justified at all, we locals have long heard of how bad the registered voters records are, still including a lot of dead people etc. To not lose track, this thread is just to justify why the numbers in the OP are to be taken with a grain of salt
  - layer8 4y ago
    Maybe this is explained by many Greeks living abroad but still being eligible and registered voters?
    - phs318u 4y ago
      As the son of Greeks living abroad it’s exactly this.
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thdespou 4y ago
I'm Greek but I'm living abroad. Never bothered changing my status back in Greece. They would count me as absent from every public voting.
greggarious 4y ago
>her background was not a political one anyhow I don’t understand what you’re trying to articulate. What makes one’s background “political”? Are you saying politics should be hereditary? Or jus for folks privileged to attend certain schools, work certain places?
- gbil 4y ago
  The OP presents a rotten political environment through which by definition anyone part of that environment, comes out also rotten, essentially attributing her actions to that political environment. I just say that this specific person was not 100% part of the environment, at least during the time periods presented in the OP's comment.
  - greggarious 4y ago
    Maybe if folks voted it would get better. I have seen how the shock treatment of hordes of zoomers insisting on voting for candidates represent their interests with the fervor of a boomer on their way off this planet knocked multiple local party officials office out in the primaries. I have seen the sausage made -- voting works, that's why, at least in America, they try to obstruct it so badly. The problem becomes when you allow folks to vote on things that are inalienable, the basic human rights. Those types will never be happy, and should have been shot when they ran up on the capitol. They are traitors who will forever be scorned by those of us born at the fall of the USSR into a world free of nuclear terror and instilled with zero tolerance for totalitarians who so much as hint at going back to those days -- we will forever harass them. Or at least I will - but I'm just one guy, a troll, a nobody -- I don't even have a PhD :-)

by gbil 4y ago

bpfrh 4y ago

The vote abstention should be right, I searched on the greek voting system and I don't see any requirement besides[1]: * having the greek citizenship * being older than 17 * Not being dissalowed by the court to vote All citizens get automatically added to the "registered vote" after they turn 17. E.g. A greek citizen is always a registered voter even if he doesn't go and vote. If we take the 2019 numbers we have: 9961718 registered voters 4192215 voters who didn't fill out the forms (I assume non voters are counted this way) (4192215×100)÷9961718 ~=42% Are non voters [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Greece https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Greece [2]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlamentswahl_in_Griechenland_2019#Wahlsystem https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlamentswahl_in_Griechenland... Edit: formatting, add a note about what the 42% means

gbil 4y ago
Your math is fine starting from the 9,9m number but you didn't take into account what I wrote, which is that the total population of greece is 10,4 millions. Registered voters are those >=17 years old so only 500k are <17 which of course is not valid EDIT: adding more data, official numbers state ~1,5m of age 0-14. Let's say 200k more in the 15-16 range, that is ~1,7m 10,4-1,7 = 8,7m >=17 years old. Population of Greece dropped by about 400k between the previous and current census (2011-2021) while the registered voters number from 2009 elections hasn't changed. I'm afraid that 1,7m gap is not justified at all, we locals have long heard of how bad the registered voters records are, still including a lot of dead people etc. To not lose track, this thread is just to justify why the numbers in the OP are to be taken with a grain of salt
- layer8 4y ago
  Maybe this is explained by many Greeks living abroad but still being eligible and registered voters?
  - phs318u 4y ago
    As the son of Greeks living abroad it’s exactly this.
- deleted 4y ago
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thdespou 4y ago

I'm Greek but I'm living abroad. Never bothered changing my status back in Greece. They would count me as absent from every public voting.

greggarious 4y ago

>her background was not a political one anyhow I don’t understand what you’re trying to articulate. What makes one’s background “political”? Are you saying politics should be hereditary? Or jus for folks privileged to attend certain schools, work certain places?

gbil 4y ago
The OP presents a rotten political environment through which by definition anyone part of that environment, comes out also rotten, essentially attributing her actions to that political environment. I just say that this specific person was not 100% part of the environment, at least during the time periods presented in the OP's comment.
- greggarious 4y ago
  Maybe if folks voted it would get better. I have seen how the shock treatment of hordes of zoomers insisting on voting for candidates represent their interests with the fervor of a boomer on their way off this planet knocked multiple local party officials office out in the primaries. I have seen the sausage made -- voting works, that's why, at least in America, they try to obstruct it so badly. The problem becomes when you allow folks to vote on things that are inalienable, the basic human rights. Those types will never be happy, and should have been shot when they ran up on the capitol. They are traitors who will forever be scorned by those of us born at the fall of the USSR into a world free of nuclear terror and instilled with zero tolerance for totalitarians who so much as hint at going back to those days -- we will forever harass them. Or at least I will - but I'm just one guy, a troll, a nobody -- I don't even have a PhD :-)