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You do realize in the us there are thousands of worker deaths. Do we hold a memorial each time?

paulgb 4y ago
Working conditions in the US have improved dramatically over the last century because politicians and leaders took action to improve them. Your position seems to be that it doesn’t matter what leaders and politicians say if they don’t believe it in their heart. I think that’s less relevant than their actions. (And FWIW, yes, usually when a worker dies on the job in the US the company does sponsor a memorial)
- isthisthingon99 4y ago
  Ah, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. Which society told you the way to do it was to create laws to deal with it? Was it your own? Have you perhaps considered that just because US society might be a few decades ahead in certain types of rights, that maybe that's just a fluke of nature and doesn't give the US any moral standing? Edit: can't respond any more, so I will just say: this thread is exactly an example of fake empathy. None of these guys will go out of their way to help the migrant worker, they will demand others do so. Fake empathy.
  - paulgb 4y ago
    > Ah, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. To the extent that those ideals are “migrant worker’s lives should not be treated as expendable”, hell yes I am. (FWIW I’m Canadian, not American) Your attempt at positioning that as some sort of cultural chauvinism is weird.
    - isthisthingon99 4y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior
    - djkivi 4y ago
      Canada had its own history of migrant workers. More than 4000 Chinese migrants died building our railroads: https://torontorailwaymuseum.com/?p=1152 https://torontorailwaymuseum.com/?p=1152
      - paulgb 4y ago
        Absolutely, I don't mean to imply that Canada is blameless, just that my point of view is not a projection of exclusively US-centric values.
- lupire 4y ago
  > when a worker dies on the job in the US the company does sponsor a memorial What? Who? Amazon docks people productivity points for the time it takes to walk a longer route to avoid a dead body on the warehouse floor.
  - PLenz 4y ago
    Most companies aren't big corps and tend to care about employees if only because there are fewer of them.
zopa 4y ago
Maybe no memorial but for sure an OSHA incident report. https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/ https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/ There’s plenty of room for improvement. But it used to be that a 10,000 person steel mill could expect 1200 deaths and serious injuries each year. That only changed because people cared enough to fight for better conditions.
- lupire 4y ago
  OSHA report is the memorial of the bureaucracy. It serves the same purpose.
  - zopa 4y ago
    Correct. Or at least overlapping purposes

Working conditions in the US have improved dramatically over the last century because politicians and leaders took action to improve them. Your position seems to be that it doesn’t matter what leaders and politicians say if they don’t believe it in their heart. I think that’s less relevant than their actions. (And FWIW, yes, usually when a worker dies on the job in the US the company does sponsor a memorial)

isthisthingon99 4y ago
Ah, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. Which society told you the way to do it was to create laws to deal with it? Was it your own? Have you perhaps considered that just because US society might be a few decades ahead in certain types of rights, that maybe that's just a fluke of nature and doesn't give the US any moral standing? Edit: can't respond any more, so I will just say: this thread is exactly an example of fake empathy. None of these guys will go out of their way to help the migrant worker, they will demand others do so. Fake empathy.
- paulgb 4y ago
  > Ah, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. To the extent that those ideals are “migrant worker’s lives should not be treated as expendable”, hell yes I am. (FWIW I’m Canadian, not American) Your attempt at positioning that as some sort of cultural chauvinism is weird.
  - isthisthingon99 4y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior
  - djkivi 4y ago
    Canada had its own history of migrant workers. More than 4000 Chinese migrants died building our railroads: https://torontorailwaymuseum.com/?p=1152 https://torontorailwaymuseum.com/?p=1152
    - paulgb 4y ago
      Absolutely, I don't mean to imply that Canada is blameless, just that my point of view is not a projection of exclusively US-centric values.
lupire 4y ago
> when a worker dies on the job in the US the company does sponsor a memorial What? Who? Amazon docks people productivity points for the time it takes to walk a longer route to avoid a dead body on the warehouse floor.
- PLenz 4y ago
  Most companies aren't big corps and tend to care about employees if only because there are fewer of them.

zopa 4y ago

Maybe no memorial but for sure an OSHA incident report. https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/ https://www.osha.gov/recordkeeping/ There’s plenty of room for improvement. But it used to be that a 10,000 person steel mill could expect 1200 deaths and serious injuries each year. That only changed because people cared enough to fight for better conditions.

lupire 4y ago
OSHA report is the memorial of the bureaucracy. It serves the same purpose.
- zopa 4y ago
  Correct. Or at least overlapping purposes