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call me cynical but this is the state of things in any non western countries + japan/korea

• cm2187 4y ago
  Because no one dies at work on big infrastructure projects in western countries?
  • vermilingua 4y ago
    Because in most western countries, insurance and workers compensation laws result in safer working conditions.
    • cm2187 4y ago
      Not really a story I have followed but the numbers I see after a quick search suggest this is another bullshit story. This website (first result on google, I don't particularly vouch for it [1]) suggests in 2020, 340 workers died every day from hazardous working conditions in the US. If you scale it to the population of Qatar, that's about 3 per day, or 20 per week. The guardian claims 12 migrant workers died per week in Qatar the last decades [2]. Not exactly out of proportion. [1] https://aflcio.org/reports/death-job-toll-neglect-2022 https://aflcio.org/reports/death-job-toll-neglect-2022 [2] https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022 https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/r...
      • xh-dude 4y ago
        The next stat line says “4,764 workers were killed on the job in the United States.” in 2020. I’m not sure we’re given clarity here - rhetorically, ok, fine, but the math doesn’t line up quite this way.
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        • lupire 4y ago
          "4,764 from traumatic injuries, and an estimated 120,000 from occupational diseases"
      • rimeice 4y ago
        Slightly misleading Guardian source. Their number includes all migrants, not just those migrants who’ve worked in construction and not those who just worked on construction projects to do with the World Cup, their figures are for literally all migrants. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/more-or-less-behind-the-stats/id267300884?i=1000588622043 https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/more-or-less-behind-th...
        • cm2187 4y ago
          Plus there are probably not many locals in Qatar touching hazardous jobs. And this is probably a large infrastructure project compared to the scale of the country (if you do more work you get more accidents).
      • relativ575 4y ago
        Hazardous working conditions is described in the report: "Chronic occupational diseases receive less attention, because most are not detected until years after workers have been exposed to toxic chemicals, and because occupational illnesses often are misdiagnosed and poorly tracked" [1] The context here is the deaths of migrants working on construction sites for the World Cup. On site. 14 deaths/daily is a more comparable number. [1] Also, you cited a report by the unions, for the purpose of promoting workplace safety. There are no such champions for migrants working in Qatar. [1] - https://aflcio.org/reports/death-job-toll-neglect-2020 https://aflcio.org/reports/death-job-toll-neglect-2020 > if you scale it to the population of Qatar That's incorrect way of scaling, since the majority of deaths in Qatar are migrants from countries such as the Philippines, Bangladesh, India or Pakistan.