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But what difference does it make? If I were a scammer I would: - buy a domain for 20 USD/year and create the corresponding hr@MyNiceAndSeriousLookingDomain.com

But what difference does it make? If I were a scammer I would: - buy a domain for 20 USD/year and create the corresponding hr@MyNiceAndSeriousLookingDomain.com - do what the scammer did in the blog post but without grammatical errors (I could even use chatgpt for that) and alway using my custom email address See. That's easy to fake. If people are willing to pay the scammers, then the grammar errors and proton emails do not matter

stavros 4y ago
Because the real domain is already taken by the real company.
- ChoGGi 4y ago
  One look-alike letter in the domain is all you need.
  - stavros 4y ago
    I guess, but autonatlon.com kind of sticks out.
    - jacurtis 4y ago
      internal-autonation.com is available right now for $10. autonation.inc is also available. I could generate 100 more like this that would fool most of the American population. Tech workers might be smart enough to avoid them, but the average person wouldn't think twice about these. For example imagine getting an email from recruiting@internal-autonation.com. Again, I know a tech worker who actually is likely to have purchased a domain might know what is happening here, but most Americans would think this is legit.
      - brewdad 4y ago
        I've received completely legit emails from Chase Bank that used URLs that, on first glance, had to be fake. I followed up using alternate channels and found out that it wasn't a scam just poorly executed "security".
        voakbasda 4y ago
        Chase is indeed horrible about this kind of thing. Most of their messages look like spam or scams.
- jacurtis 4y ago
  I almost hate to say this to not give scammers any ideas, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you can buy look-alike domains that most people wouldn't think too much about. For example, autonationusa.com, autonationcorp.com, autonation-corp.com, autonation-hq.com, internal-autonation.com hr-autonation.com, autonationrecruiting.com, autonation-hiring.com and so on, you get the idea. There are even other TLDs you could play with that most non-tech people would think are legit. For example auto-nation.co or autonation.inc autonation.corporation. All of these would cost less than $20. I haven't checked these all for availability, but I suspect at least half the ones on this list are available, and even if they aren't you can play with different combinations to get something that is available. The purpose is only to fool people at first glance. While most people on HN might know that internal-autonation.com does not actually mean its from autonation, I suspect it would still fool a lot of HN readers. Outside of tech workers, I think this technique would fool the vast majority of the population. You could even buy a domain for something like new-fake-hrm-saas.com and make a fake website for a fake SaaS HRM/Recruiting tool. Then send all emails from that domain. If anyone asks, you can say that intial emails go through that SaaS tool until you have fully onboarded. This is something legit that actually happens in real life early on in the hiring process when they want all hiring correspondance to go through an HRM tool. Again, maybe a tech worker would be cautious of this technique, but most people would be none the wiser. This would allow you to maintain one domain for multiple scams so you could easily burn one if you get exposed. You could even do subdomains with it like autonation.fakehrm.com and salesforce.fakehrm.com and so on for each company you impersonate. Again, this isn't to give people ideas. But this could be easily done for $20 a year and minimal effort. (The fake hrm saas site could be a template site, all real SaaS sites look the same anyway).
  - notahacker 4y ago
    Would work fine as lots of corporations genuinely do use multiple domains for email. But for scammers, every time someone realises they've been scammed their domain gets taken down and they lose email contact with a whole bunch of other victims in their pipeline at the same time...

stavros 4y ago

Because the real domain is already taken by the real company.

ChoGGi 4y ago
One look-alike letter in the domain is all you need.
- stavros 4y ago
  I guess, but autonatlon.com kind of sticks out.
  - jacurtis 4y ago
    internal-autonation.com is available right now for $10. autonation.inc is also available. I could generate 100 more like this that would fool most of the American population. Tech workers might be smart enough to avoid them, but the average person wouldn't think twice about these. For example imagine getting an email from recruiting@internal-autonation.com. Again, I know a tech worker who actually is likely to have purchased a domain might know what is happening here, but most Americans would think this is legit.
    - brewdad 4y ago
      I've received completely legit emails from Chase Bank that used URLs that, on first glance, had to be fake. I followed up using alternate channels and found out that it wasn't a scam just poorly executed "security".
      - voakbasda 4y ago
        Chase is indeed horrible about this kind of thing. Most of their messages look like spam or scams.
jacurtis 4y ago
I almost hate to say this to not give scammers any ideas, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you can buy look-alike domains that most people wouldn't think too much about. For example, autonationusa.com, autonationcorp.com, autonation-corp.com, autonation-hq.com, internal-autonation.com hr-autonation.com, autonationrecruiting.com, autonation-hiring.com and so on, you get the idea. There are even other TLDs you could play with that most non-tech people would think are legit. For example auto-nation.co or autonation.inc autonation.corporation. All of these would cost less than $20. I haven't checked these all for availability, but I suspect at least half the ones on this list are available, and even if they aren't you can play with different combinations to get something that is available. The purpose is only to fool people at first glance. While most people on HN might know that internal-autonation.com does not actually mean its from autonation, I suspect it would still fool a lot of HN readers. Outside of tech workers, I think this technique would fool the vast majority of the population. You could even buy a domain for something like new-fake-hrm-saas.com and make a fake website for a fake SaaS HRM/Recruiting tool. Then send all emails from that domain. If anyone asks, you can say that intial emails go through that SaaS tool until you have fully onboarded. This is something legit that actually happens in real life early on in the hiring process when they want all hiring correspondance to go through an HRM tool. Again, maybe a tech worker would be cautious of this technique, but most people would be none the wiser. This would allow you to maintain one domain for multiple scams so you could easily burn one if you get exposed. You could even do subdomains with it like autonation.fakehrm.com and salesforce.fakehrm.com and so on for each company you impersonate. Again, this isn't to give people ideas. But this could be easily done for $20 a year and minimal effort. (The fake hrm saas site could be a template site, all real SaaS sites look the same anyway).
- notahacker 4y ago
  Would work fine as lots of corporations genuinely do use multiple domains for email. But for scammers, every time someone realises they've been scammed their domain gets taken down and they lose email contact with a whole bunch of other victims in their pipeline at the same time...