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The McDonalds manager story in question: https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3688563&page=1 https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3688563&page=1 Which would be

The McDonalds manager story in question: https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3688563&page=1 https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3688563&page=1 Which would be completely unbelievable if there wasn't security footage of the whole thing!

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notch656a 4y ago
Meanwhile if an actual police officer directs a private citizen to perform this kind of search, it's not only apparently legal but approved by the medical and nursing board. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.985537/gov.uscourts.azd.985537.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.985...
- mr-wendel 4y ago
  More on this case can be found at https://holdcbpaccountable.org/2016/08/09/cervantes-v-united-states-et-al/ https://holdcbpaccountable.org/2016/08/09/cervantes-v-united.... The real life story is pretty sickening: an ~8 hour ordeal starting with the CDP saying "we think you have drugs" and forcibly sending an 18 year old girl to the hospital for an x-ray, in handcuffs, where she is instead invasively strip searched (with the CDP and hospital staff in audience). Nothing is found so they eventually let her go. The court basically ruled that: - The CDP did its job "correctly". They just need to think you did something wrong to detain you and force you to accept medical interventions. - This was the wrong way to sue: the plaintiff must seek state-law tort action against the doctor for malpractice. Most disturbing to me is considering just is how many people were party to whole affair, and how easily a routine, but ill-fated encounter with authority can go so wrong. I can only hope that additional legal remediation brought some kind of justice and relief. Maybe this is yet another example of how contorted US law practice can be. I'm not holding my breath.
P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
jfc, that manager should be criminally culpable.
- shkkmo 4y ago
  If by "criminally culpable" you mean "awarded over a million dollars", then that is exactly what happened. > Summers also sued McDonald's and was awarded $1 million in punitive damages and $100,000 in compensatory damages.
  - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
    yes, awarded a million dollars for being fucking stupid.
    - loa_in_ 4y ago
      And apparently completely devoid of any idea of human decency, yes
      - cookie_monsta 4y ago
        This seems a bit harsh. Nobody really says that about the participants in the Milgram experiment[1], but the psychologist in the ABC article says that this is probably why the caller targeted fast food restaurants >"Everything is by the book," he explained. "This is how you serve it. This is exactly how you do it. You follow the book — you're OK. I believe he picked fast food restaurants because he knew, once you got them away from that book, once it was something outside the manual or the procedures, they would be lost." [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
        P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
        The participants in the milgram experiment are absolutely judged that way, the difference is there was no actual harm done in the experiment. This woman should be in jail, criminal negligence is a thing.
noduerme 4y ago
Insane and yet totally believable if you spend any time dealing with franchisees.
- CyberDildonics 4y ago
  What does that mean?
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notch656a 4y ago

Meanwhile if an actual police officer directs a private citizen to perform this kind of search, it's not only apparently legal but approved by the medical and nursing board. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.985537/gov.uscourts.azd.985537.1.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.azd.985...

mr-wendel 4y ago
More on this case can be found at https://holdcbpaccountable.org/2016/08/09/cervantes-v-united-states-et-al/ https://holdcbpaccountable.org/2016/08/09/cervantes-v-united.... The real life story is pretty sickening: an ~8 hour ordeal starting with the CDP saying "we think you have drugs" and forcibly sending an 18 year old girl to the hospital for an x-ray, in handcuffs, where she is instead invasively strip searched (with the CDP and hospital staff in audience). Nothing is found so they eventually let her go. The court basically ruled that: - The CDP did its job "correctly". They just need to think you did something wrong to detain you and force you to accept medical interventions. - This was the wrong way to sue: the plaintiff must seek state-law tort action against the doctor for malpractice. Most disturbing to me is considering just is how many people were party to whole affair, and how easily a routine, but ill-fated encounter with authority can go so wrong. I can only hope that additional legal remediation brought some kind of justice and relief. Maybe this is yet another example of how contorted US law practice can be. I'm not holding my breath.

P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago

jfc, that manager should be criminally culpable.

shkkmo 4y ago
If by "criminally culpable" you mean "awarded over a million dollars", then that is exactly what happened. > Summers also sued McDonald's and was awarded $1 million in punitive damages and $100,000 in compensatory damages.
- P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
  yes, awarded a million dollars for being fucking stupid.
  - loa_in_ 4y ago
    And apparently completely devoid of any idea of human decency, yes
    - cookie_monsta 4y ago
      This seems a bit harsh. Nobody really says that about the participants in the Milgram experiment[1], but the psychologist in the ABC article says that this is probably why the caller targeted fast food restaurants >"Everything is by the book," he explained. "This is how you serve it. This is exactly how you do it. You follow the book — you're OK. I believe he picked fast food restaurants because he knew, once you got them away from that book, once it was something outside the manual or the procedures, they would be lost." [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
      - P5fRxh5kUvp2th 4y ago
        The participants in the milgram experiment are absolutely judged that way, the difference is there was no actual harm done in the experiment. This woman should be in jail, criminal negligence is a thing.

noduerme 4y ago

Insane and yet totally believable if you spend any time dealing with franchisees.

CyberDildonics 4y ago
What does that mean?
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