There are people who think stoning their daughter over dating someone outside their social group is the honorable thing to do. So concepts of "honor" are wishy-

There are people who think stoning their daughter over dating someone outside their social group is the honorable thing to do. So concepts of "honor" are wishy-washy at best. Well, given that we're allowing the statement, "society was never based on honor," to stand, we can assume that we're restricting ourselves to Western or simply American values, since the Japanese provide an obvious counter-example. There aren't many Americans who have ever been into honor killings of family members.