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Maybe the future is AI. If ChatGPT is conversational in several languages it could work as the teacher and it can also look past these mispronunciations and mis

by djmips 4y ago

Maybe the future is AI. If ChatGPT is conversational in several languages it could work as the teacher and it can also look past these mispronunciations and misspellings.

mikeyouse 4y ago
Why would you need to learn a separate language with ChatGPT capabilities in the world? Learn one language well and let the computers translate between that one and the others.
- djmips 4y ago
  I see your point but people still like to interact with people in other languages in person. Babelfish isn't there yet.
- dotnet00 4y ago
  Well, for one, learning languages is often just about fulfilling an interest rather than actually needing it.
  - dazc 4y ago
    Learning another language can also teach another way of thinking about things. There are also nuances that AI isn't going to help you with. For instance, 'How's your father?' in Spanish means 'What is your father like?' In English it means 'How is your father's health?' - or it could also mean 'sexual intercourse'. There will be better examples, obviously...
- coldtea 4y ago
  For talking to actual people, you know... Might as well ask "Why cook when there's delivery?"
davidzweig 4y ago
I want to hook ChatGPT into Language Reactor (better with realtime ASR and TTS) to make a virtual conversation partner. Latency might be an issue. I was playing a bit with GPT-NeoX before. It would be nice if you could restrict the vocabulary it uses somehow for beginners, if not the range of grammatical concepts. I don't know how you would achieve that. A 'conversation partner' might be a bit aimless as a activity, I thought.. you could feed in the transcript of a short youtube video as a conversation starting point.. or some kind of game.. I just tried this on ChatGPT, looks pretty good: What is the grammatical error in this sentence: "The dog eat the cake." >> The grammatical error in this sentence is that the verb "eat" should be in the third person singular form "eats" to agree with the subject "dog." The correct sentence would be: "The dog eats the cake." What is the grammatical error in this sentance: "I have been living here since three years." >> The grammatical error in this sentence is that the preposition "since" should be followed by a specific point in time, such as a date or year. The correct sentence would be: "I have been living here for three years." Alternatively, you could say: "I have been living here since 2016." This also works: Please correct this sentence: "I have been living here since three years." Do not type any additional text.
- nmfisher 4y ago
  I’m building something similar for Chinese[0]. Every time a new language model was released, I tested it with pinyin conversion (the standard Mandarin phonetic romanization), and they all failed miserably - until ChatGPT, which so far has performed flawlessly. Sentence generation isn’t perfect though (at least with my rudimentary prompting) - it will regularly generate “Chinglish” phrases (like word-for-word transliterations from English which are not native Chinese) and occasionally just regurgitate nonsense. It’s not something that I would freely unleash on the end user but there is definitely a place for it somewhere in the pipeline in future. [0] https://polyvox.app https://polyvox.app
  - carom 4y ago
    Even if you just had a set of lessons to run through, that'd be a lot of fun. Prompts that make it the counter party in text book dialogues. Character, pinyin, and translation shown. The email sign up didn't seem to work on your page.
    - nmfisher 4y ago
      That's basically the idea! Thanks for the note on the email signup, I'll have a look - I threw it together very quickly just before I went on a plane a few weeks ago so it's very fragile.
  - siwatanejo 4y ago
    I've been looking for ages for a way to learn chinese with pinyin (or just audio, no chinese characters), please don't give up.
    - nmfisher 4y ago
      Thanks! I agree, I'll stay away from characters, at least at an early/beginner level (although I am including them mostly for aesthetic purposes). It's a huge hurdle that lots of people don't necessarily need/want to overcome.
  - 4y ago

by djmips 4y ago

Maybe the future is AI. If ChatGPT is conversational in several languages it could work as the teacher and it can also look past these mispronunciations and misspellings.

mikeyouse 4y ago

Why would you need to learn a separate language with ChatGPT capabilities in the world? Learn one language well and let the computers translate between that one and the others.

djmips 4y ago
I see your point but people still like to interact with people in other languages in person. Babelfish isn't there yet.
dotnet00 4y ago
Well, for one, learning languages is often just about fulfilling an interest rather than actually needing it.
- dazc 4y ago
  Learning another language can also teach another way of thinking about things. There are also nuances that AI isn't going to help you with. For instance, 'How's your father?' in Spanish means 'What is your father like?' In English it means 'How is your father's health?' - or it could also mean 'sexual intercourse'. There will be better examples, obviously...
coldtea 4y ago
For talking to actual people, you know... Might as well ask "Why cook when there's delivery?"

davidzweig 4y ago

I want to hook ChatGPT into Language Reactor (better with realtime ASR and TTS) to make a virtual conversation partner. Latency might be an issue. I was playing a bit with GPT-NeoX before. It would be nice if you could restrict the vocabulary it uses somehow for beginners, if not the range of grammatical concepts. I don't know how you would achieve that. A 'conversation partner' might be a bit aimless as a activity, I thought.. you could feed in the transcript of a short youtube video as a conversation starting point.. or some kind of game.. I just tried this on ChatGPT, looks pretty good: What is the grammatical error in this sentence: "The dog eat the cake." >> The grammatical error in this sentence is that the verb "eat" should be in the third person singular form "eats" to agree with the subject "dog." The correct sentence would be: "The dog eats the cake." What is the grammatical error in this sentance: "I have been living here since three years." >> The grammatical error in this sentence is that the preposition "since" should be followed by a specific point in time, such as a date or year. The correct sentence would be: "I have been living here for three years." Alternatively, you could say: "I have been living here since 2016." This also works: Please correct this sentence: "I have been living here since three years." Do not type any additional text.

nmfisher 4y ago
I’m building something similar for Chinese[0]. Every time a new language model was released, I tested it with pinyin conversion (the standard Mandarin phonetic romanization), and they all failed miserably - until ChatGPT, which so far has performed flawlessly. Sentence generation isn’t perfect though (at least with my rudimentary prompting) - it will regularly generate “Chinglish” phrases (like word-for-word transliterations from English which are not native Chinese) and occasionally just regurgitate nonsense. It’s not something that I would freely unleash on the end user but there is definitely a place for it somewhere in the pipeline in future. [0] https://polyvox.app https://polyvox.app
- carom 4y ago
  Even if you just had a set of lessons to run through, that'd be a lot of fun. Prompts that make it the counter party in text book dialogues. Character, pinyin, and translation shown. The email sign up didn't seem to work on your page.
  - nmfisher 4y ago
    That's basically the idea! Thanks for the note on the email signup, I'll have a look - I threw it together very quickly just before I went on a plane a few weeks ago so it's very fragile.
- siwatanejo 4y ago
  I've been looking for ages for a way to learn chinese with pinyin (or just audio, no chinese characters), please don't give up.
  - nmfisher 4y ago
    Thanks! I agree, I'll stay away from characters, at least at an early/beginner level (although I am including them mostly for aesthetic purposes). It's a huge hurdle that lots of people don't necessarily need/want to overcome.
- 4y ago