FWIW I agree with you. I spent a lot of time trying to make a very basic website for my company using the usual suspects, and I found they all look like crap. I

FWIW I agree with you. I spent a lot of time trying to make a very basic website for my company using the usual suspects, and I found they all look like crap. I think part of it is doing it yourself and so being acutely aware of the things you don't like, and part of it (at least for me) is just a genuine lack of any design sense, that gives off the overall effect of low production values. I plan to give in and pay someone. I think frameworks only really work if you know how to make a good design