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Also let's you change the UI at any time after shipping the product. Basically everything Steve said in the original iPhone keynote applies. Of course there ar

by yreg 4y ago

Also let's you change the UI at any time after shipping the product. Basically everything Steve said in the original iPhone keynote applies. Of course there are significant drawbacks as well.

Espressosaurus 4y ago
Except I don't want my car changing its UI. Ever. I dislike it enough when Microsoft or Apple slip in a UI update with a feature update. For something like a car the driving needs to be instinctual so I can spend my attention on the other vehicles. Changing the UI gets in the way of that instinct.
- shepherdjerred 4y ago
  Then don't buy cars with touchscreens. Some (most) people do want new features added to their devices.
  - defterGoose 4y ago
    I'm not sure that being in any presumed majority group of humans is something I'd want to be smug about.
    - shepherdjerred 4y ago
      That sounds rather misanthropic. I don't want touchscreens in a car. I don't want my UI to change. That doesn't change the fact that many people do. Companies build for what customers want, not what engineers want. And even then, many (maybe even most) engineers would align with the average customer.
      - Espressosaurus 4y ago
        Except touchscreens are a clear danger to the driver due to the attention they pull away from the road. Controls for the driver need to be physical, full stop. There's more than just driver preference at play here; there's physical usability and its impact on safety, and that should override expectations people have with tablets. We're flying around with 2 ton missiles, it's best we treat them with the appropriate respect.
        shepherdjerred 4y ago
        > Except touchscreens are a clear danger to the driver due to the attention they pull away from the road. Are there studies proving this?
        Espressosaurus 4y ago
        https://www.wardsauto.com/industry/distraction-study-calls-out-touchscreens https://www.wardsauto.com/industry/distraction-study-calls-o... https://www.thestar.com/autos/2022/05/28/touchscreens-are-common-in-new-vehicles-but-studies-show-they-can-add-to-distracted-driving-heres-what-we-can-do.html https://www.thestar.com/autos/2022/05/28/touchscreens-are-co... "Of the 30 different vehicles tested from 18 different brands, not a single vehicle from the study produced a low level of demand for the driver’s attention. Seven vehicles tested produced moderate demand, while 23 generated a high or very high demand. In fact, the study found drivers distracted, with their eyes completely off the road for as long as 40 seconds at certain times. The concentration of critical functions being housed within a centre touchscreen becomes even more problematic given the lack of any feedback they offer, forcing drivers to look at the screen to confirm activation. Industry research has shown that it’s significantly easier to locate a physical control than hunting through sub-menus, as tactile or haptic feedback lets drivers develop muscle memory for key controls." And it's an editorial but I fully agree with its conclusions: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39304/why-im-done-pretending-touchscreen-infotainment-isnt-a-stupid-hazardous-fad https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39304/why-im-done-pretending-t... I'm a fan of Mazda's use of a dial for control when the vehicle is moving. Touchscreens are stupid if the driver has to use them.
        yreg 4y ago
        For what it's worth, you can also use voice control. Or you can put the Tesla on autopilot for the few seconds while fiddling with the touch screen, which (to me) feels much more safer than e.g. messing with a physical radio in a car without such assistence features. (I'm not arguing with you, in fact I mostly agree with you.)
spaceman_2020 4y ago
I understand that part - but why have touchscreens for core functionalities that won't change? Like switching the AC on/off. You can hide away all the complex thermostat settings in the touchscreen but at least give me a physical AC button. Saw the new Rivian and it has touchscreen controls for moving the AC vents around! What could ever change in the near future that moving the AC vents needs a feature upgrade?
- yreg 4y ago
  >touchscreen controls for moving the AC vents around Tesla has the same and it has changed the UI for AC operation in the past. To be clear, I'm not convincing people that it is a good thing and I understand the frustration. But I personally like how the car changes, the same way I like how iOS changes.

by yreg 4y ago

Also let's you change the UI at any time after shipping the product. Basically everything Steve said in the original iPhone keynote applies. Of course there are significant drawbacks as well.

Espressosaurus 4y ago

Except I don't want my car changing its UI. Ever. I dislike it enough when Microsoft or Apple slip in a UI update with a feature update. For something like a car the driving needs to be instinctual so I can spend my attention on the other vehicles. Changing the UI gets in the way of that instinct.

shepherdjerred 4y ago
Then don't buy cars with touchscreens. Some (most) people do want new features added to their devices.
- defterGoose 4y ago
  I'm not sure that being in any presumed majority group of humans is something I'd want to be smug about.
  - shepherdjerred 4y ago
    That sounds rather misanthropic. I don't want touchscreens in a car. I don't want my UI to change. That doesn't change the fact that many people do. Companies build for what customers want, not what engineers want. And even then, many (maybe even most) engineers would align with the average customer.
    - Espressosaurus 4y ago
      Except touchscreens are a clear danger to the driver due to the attention they pull away from the road. Controls for the driver need to be physical, full stop. There's more than just driver preference at play here; there's physical usability and its impact on safety, and that should override expectations people have with tablets. We're flying around with 2 ton missiles, it's best we treat them with the appropriate respect.
      - shepherdjerred 4y ago
        > Except touchscreens are a clear danger to the driver due to the attention they pull away from the road. Are there studies proving this?
        Espressosaurus 4y ago
        https://www.wardsauto.com/industry/distraction-study-calls-out-touchscreens https://www.wardsauto.com/industry/distraction-study-calls-o... https://www.thestar.com/autos/2022/05/28/touchscreens-are-common-in-new-vehicles-but-studies-show-they-can-add-to-distracted-driving-heres-what-we-can-do.html https://www.thestar.com/autos/2022/05/28/touchscreens-are-co... "Of the 30 different vehicles tested from 18 different brands, not a single vehicle from the study produced a low level of demand for the driver’s attention. Seven vehicles tested produced moderate demand, while 23 generated a high or very high demand. In fact, the study found drivers distracted, with their eyes completely off the road for as long as 40 seconds at certain times. The concentration of critical functions being housed within a centre touchscreen becomes even more problematic given the lack of any feedback they offer, forcing drivers to look at the screen to confirm activation. Industry research has shown that it’s significantly easier to locate a physical control than hunting through sub-menus, as tactile or haptic feedback lets drivers develop muscle memory for key controls." And it's an editorial but I fully agree with its conclusions: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39304/why-im-done-pretending-touchscreen-infotainment-isnt-a-stupid-hazardous-fad https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39304/why-im-done-pretending-t... I'm a fan of Mazda's use of a dial for control when the vehicle is moving. Touchscreens are stupid if the driver has to use them.
      - yreg 4y ago
        For what it's worth, you can also use voice control. Or you can put the Tesla on autopilot for the few seconds while fiddling with the touch screen, which (to me) feels much more safer than e.g. messing with a physical radio in a car without such assistence features. (I'm not arguing with you, in fact I mostly agree with you.)

spaceman_2020 4y ago

I understand that part - but why have touchscreens for core functionalities that won't change? Like switching the AC on/off. You can hide away all the complex thermostat settings in the touchscreen but at least give me a physical AC button. Saw the new Rivian and it has touchscreen controls for moving the AC vents around! What could ever change in the near future that moving the AC vents needs a feature upgrade?

yreg 4y ago
>touchscreen controls for moving the AC vents around Tesla has the same and it has changed the UI for AC operation in the past. To be clear, I'm not convincing people that it is a good thing and I understand the frustration. But I personally like how the car changes, the same way I like how iOS changes.