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Most of the criticism assumes people will be in these cabs for 8 hours at a time. They won't. This is for very short trips. We are talking 80-100 mi each way.
by themagician 4y ago
Most of the criticism assumes people will be in these cabs for 8 hours at a time. They won't. This is for very short trips. We are talking 80-100 mi each way. 2-3 hrs in each direction, max. It's not for independent truckers.
- another_devy 4y agoEven in this case what advantage it has over existing electric trucks which don’t have these design flaws?
- hn_throwaway_99 4y agoWhat existing electric trucks?
- mentalpiracy 4y agoHere are four examples for you: Mercedes: https://electrek.co/2022/09/19/mercedes-benz-eactros-longhaul-electric-truck/ https://electrek.co/2022/09/19/mercedes-benz-eactros-longhau... Scania: https://www.scania.com/group/en/home/products-and-services/trucks/battery-electric-truck.html https://www.scania.com/group/en/home/products-and-services/t... Volvo: https://www.volvotrucks.com/en-en/trucks/alternative-fuels/electric-trucks.html https://www.volvotrucks.com/en-en/trucks/alternative-fuels/e... DAF: https://www.daf.com/en/about-daf/sustainability/alternative-fuels-and-drivelines/battery-electric-vehicles https://www.daf.com/en/about-daf/sustainability/alternative-...
- TheRealDunkirk 4y agoAre any of these actually for sale yet? I work for a trucking company that says they ”have” alternative energy vehicles, but nothing is shipping yet.
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- ojagodzinski 4y agohttps://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1600970796159336449 https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1600970796159336449
- TheLoafOfBread 4y agoMercedes, Volvo, Nikola, Renault.
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- themagician 4y agoIn an ideal environment the operating cost of a Tesla Semi is about 1/3rd (conservative estimate) that of a diesel. That environment is, again, very specific. But if your routes are short and predictable, you have massive warehouse space for solar, and you can get your average electricity cost as low as Tesla can then it pays off. 1 million miles in a diesel is going to cost well over $1 million dollars (including the price of the cab). With a Tesla Semi that cost is at least half… IF you can get the electricity cost low enough.
- ffssffss 4y agoThere are several other electric semis, the thread lists their manufacturers at the end.
- Chirono 4y agoYes there are: https://www.volvotrucks.com/en-en/trucks/alternative-fuels/electric-trucks.html https://www.volvotrucks.com/en-en/trucks/alternative-fuels/e...
- retromario 4y agoWhat about the 4 examples of other electric semis shared at the end of the original thread? https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1600970796159336449 https://twitter.com/TOrynski/status/1600970796159336449
- eastof 4y agoTFA references several competing electric truck makers such as https://nikolamotor.com/tre-bev https://nikolamotor.com/tre-bev
- reissbaker 4y agoNikola was convicted of securities fraud last year for faking their electric truck. They finally delivered 48 trucks this year, and then all of them were immediately recalled for safety issues. I think the fact that the author referenced them as viable alternatives is pretty emblematic of how accurate the thread is.
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- aliswe 4y agoThis is my issue. You're replying but clearly you are missing that there arent any electric semis to compete with. The author of the thread also clearly hasn't ridden a tesla semi, so he is just assuming that eg the mirrors can't be cleaned either from the inside nor the outside. Isnt that a bit too bad of a take? I mean I love to read about his experience, but many of his points of criticism seem hypothetical.
- angst_ridden 4y ago80-100 miles from Port of Long Beach being 2-3 hours? Have you ever driven on the 110, 405, 105, or 605?
- tptacek 4y agoThat doesn't seem to be the case at all? The windscreen complaint is about what happens when the vehicle is parked. The baffling "seat is in the middle" decision affects all drivers, both when passing (ever driven in the UK for the first time and tried to pass?) and at toll booths. The muddy floors are worse with short-haul drives, since you're in and out more often. The tablets impact anybody driving at night. The only long-haul thing I really see here is the bed thing. I don't think Tesla knew all of this. I think they just fucked it up.
- nemo44x 4y agoThe drivers won’t even be in these things soon.
- moloch-hai 4y agoIn 2017, he said they all would come with "full self driving", standard, in 2019. You could tell it wouldn't, because his lips were moving. The main problem with these things is that they can only move 5 tons if they have to go up a hill.
- rad_gruchalski 4y agoYes, we know. FSD is coming and there will be a million of them driving autonomously next year.
- nemo44x 4y agoFor what these are designed for its pretty easy.
- matthews2 4y agoThey'll be banned from driving after the smart cruise control veers into a cyclist.
- canucker2016 4y ago<flippant> Maybe the designers were worried about UVA/UVB exposure for truckers. </flippant> see https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trucker-accumulates-skin-damage-on-left-side-of-his-face-after-28-years-on-the-road/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trucker-accumulates-skin-damage...
- giantrobot 4y ago> Most of the criticism assumes people will be in these cabs for 8 hours at a time Somebody has never driven from Long Beach to the Inland Empire...