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Not just in your opinion. The 39% swing away from Gladwell's position, in favor of the affirmative, is the largest swing in the history of the Munk debates.
by chitowneats 4y ago
Not just in your opinion. The 39% swing away from Gladwell's position, in favor of the affirmative, is the largest swing in the history of the Munk debates.
- tptacek 4y agoNot super surprising given the audience and the history of those debates.
- chitowneats 4y agoCan you please elaborate? What type of audience does one expect to not support a particular claim at the start, then to swing their opinion wildly in favor of it?
- tptacek 4y agoI'm just looking at the results of all the previous debates on Wikipedia. Whatever the starting vote on this issue was, the result of the debate falls sort of coherently in line with previous results.
- chitowneats 4y agoMichael McFaul absolutely trounced Mearsheimer on the Ukraine issue. The forum may feature more conservatives than liberals, but the result is not a forgone conclusion. This is evidenced by 30+ point swings in recent debates, where both the liberal and conservative position have prevailed. I encourage you to reconsider your assessment.
- tptacek 4y agoThe Ukraine debate is I think the one example I think you can come up with, and something like 50% of conservatives are on the same page as liberals on Ukraine.
- chitowneats 4y agoIf you actually watch the debate, you can see the audience shift from their initial position to their final one. I don't buy your premise that the outcome is predetermined based on the political bias you've implied with your comments.
- tptacek 4y agoI'm simply observing that if you look at the history of these debates, there's a pretty coherent ideology to the winning side. That's all. Make of it what you will. If I got to bet on this debate before it occurred, I'd have put all my money on the "against the mainstream media" square, and then taken out a loan to get more money to put down.
- chitowneats 4y agoAh. Well. Thank you for finally speaking clearly about your thoughts.
- gnicholas 4y agoThe audience was slightly in favor of the media in the pre-debate poll. Or do you think they weren't really, but were massively sandbagging? I admit that it's a possibility, but that wouldn't explain why this was apparently the largest pre/post swing in Munk history.