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The more important question is - is it right that certain groups wield such power? The outrage culture is insane. Apple fires a top negotiator who have worked

The more important question is - is it right that certain groups wield such power? The outrage culture is insane. Apple fires a top negotiator who have worked there for 22 years because someone somewhere is 'offended'. Most probably someone who at the outset was set on finding something to be offended about. Yeah thats so much power that any foreign interest would be stupid not to attempt to use that influence. And that influencer kid not even replying to the man..

teawrecks 4y ago
> is it right that certain groups wield such power? What groups? Randos on the internet? What power? Boycotting? > The outrage culture is insane. Was there outrage? Seems like apple just prematurely cut him loose before anyone actually cared. It sounds like you think there's some nefarious shadow league of extraordinary gentlemen who can bend the largest corporations to their will. They can't. Apple did what it thought would yield them the most profits in the long term, that's it. Apple could have instead just ignored this and it likely would have blown over in a day. That's not what they did.
- jmeister 4y ago
  This is woefully simplistic Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burnham#The_Managerial_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burnham#The_Managerial_R...
- Dig1t 4y ago
  >In the early morning phone call, an Apple executive told him that he had to get the video removed immediately. >Mr. Blevins, 55 years old, said he stayed up all night trying to contact the TikToker It was very clearly about this video, how does this have anything to do with profits? Guy makes a joke while being filmed, not speaking for the company in any capacity, on his free time, and gets fired because the company was scared its image would be tarnished by being affiliated with the politically incorrect joke. This is very similar to the problem that https://www.socialcooling.com https://www.socialcooling.com talks about. From that site: >If you feel you are being watched, you change your behavior. >This could limit your desire to take risks or exercise free speech. >Over the long term these 'chilling effects' could 'cool down' society. >People are starting to realize that this 'digital reputation' could limit their opportunities. Events like this create the situation where people are scared to speak freely in public about all kinds of things. So much good social progress in our society has come as a result of the ability to speak freely in public. If people are scared to say the wrong thing in the future, that is extremely bad for society.
  - bradknowles 4y ago
    If you are a top officer at a Fortune 100 company, especially a top negotiator, then you have to be aware of the potential consequences of anything you say at any time, whether you're officially at work or not. I agree that it is in the Chinese best interest to get this guy fired, but it's his responsibility to not say stupid stuff that might get him fired.
  - teawrecks 4y ago
    I never said Apple's decision to fire him had nothing to do with the video or people's reaction to it. I'm saying it's Apple's decision, no one else's. > how does this have anything to do with profits? Because apple is a publicly traded company and has a fiduciary duty to make all decisions with the profits of their shareholders in mind. If they didn't, they could be sued.

teawrecks 4y ago

> is it right that certain groups wield such power? What groups? Randos on the internet? What power? Boycotting? > The outrage culture is insane. Was there outrage? Seems like apple just prematurely cut him loose before anyone actually cared. It sounds like you think there's some nefarious shadow league of extraordinary gentlemen who can bend the largest corporations to their will. They can't. Apple did what it thought would yield them the most profits in the long term, that's it. Apple could have instead just ignored this and it likely would have blown over in a day. That's not what they did.

jmeister 4y ago
This is woefully simplistic Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burnham#The_Managerial_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burnham#The_Managerial_R...
Dig1t 4y ago
>In the early morning phone call, an Apple executive told him that he had to get the video removed immediately. >Mr. Blevins, 55 years old, said he stayed up all night trying to contact the TikToker It was very clearly about this video, how does this have anything to do with profits? Guy makes a joke while being filmed, not speaking for the company in any capacity, on his free time, and gets fired because the company was scared its image would be tarnished by being affiliated with the politically incorrect joke. This is very similar to the problem that https://www.socialcooling.com https://www.socialcooling.com talks about. From that site: >If you feel you are being watched, you change your behavior. >This could limit your desire to take risks or exercise free speech. >Over the long term these 'chilling effects' could 'cool down' society. >People are starting to realize that this 'digital reputation' could limit their opportunities. Events like this create the situation where people are scared to speak freely in public about all kinds of things. So much good social progress in our society has come as a result of the ability to speak freely in public. If people are scared to say the wrong thing in the future, that is extremely bad for society.
- bradknowles 4y ago
  If you are a top officer at a Fortune 100 company, especially a top negotiator, then you have to be aware of the potential consequences of anything you say at any time, whether you're officially at work or not. I agree that it is in the Chinese best interest to get this guy fired, but it's his responsibility to not say stupid stuff that might get him fired.
- teawrecks 4y ago
  I never said Apple's decision to fire him had nothing to do with the video or people's reaction to it. I'm saying it's Apple's decision, no one else's. > how does this have anything to do with profits? Because apple is a publicly traded company and has a fiduciary duty to make all decisions with the profits of their shareholders in mind. If they didn't, they could be sued.