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This x1000. I live in TX, and it is many people's greatest fear that their kids might start to think differently than their parents.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
This is terrible logic, as when does a corporation performing highly influential campaigns ever have the public interest at heart? In which case, the easiest way to show why this is a bad idea, is imagine if the roles were reversed (i.e. social media was instilling values you didn't agree with and thought were backwards). I don't have to agree with either side to think that allowing a corporation to have such influence over the formation of children is a terrible idea. Especially when said corporations have a long history of scandals (TikTok bowing to CCP, Facebook and Cambridge Analytics, Twitter...) The only reason I can think of, for why we would be OK with this, is not a principled stance - rather, you just support the political views social media is instilling.
- Shared404 4y ago
  > rather, you just support the political views social media is instilling. People being able to see ideas outside of what their parents and communities see, particularly with respect to human rights (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33924352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33924352)? I suppose I do agree with that. To be clear - facebook? Trash. Twitter? Trash. Instagram? Trash. But it is important for people to learn that things they've been told their whole life are not necessarily true, and social media is sometimes the only way for that to happen.
hobotime 4y ago
- Shared404 4y ago
  While these jokes are funny, they unfortunately lend credence to people who need to be convinced that their conspiracies are true. To be clear to anyone else watching this - there is no "indoctrination" going on, only people being exposed to new ideas. Sorry for taking this overly seriously. It gets tiring dealing with people at least once or twice a week who actually, fully believe this.
gffrd 4y ago
Yikes, really? And what do they fear the impact of this to be? (Honest question)
- bradlys 4y ago
  Cultural change. Loss of their political power. Less consolidation of capital.
  - Shared404 4y ago
    ^ this is a good summary. E for more detail: Most individuals who feel this way fear at least one of these greatly, and may or may not fear the others. The people I am thinking of mostly fall in the "cultural change" category. See (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33924352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33924352) for one example.
- hobotime 4y ago
  My fear is that culture of my people will be assimilated and co-opted. My culture is thousands of years old, and we've survived plagues, war, and murder. I'd like to transmit this culture to my children as I feel it's valuable.
  - b3morales 4y ago
    I wager though that if we grabbed a person from your culture from two thousand years ago they would find many differences comparing their experience of the culture with yours. It's inevitable that it will change and adapt over time. The only completely fixed culture is the one that has no participants any more.
    - hobotime 4y ago
      Of course we've adapted and learned from our experience. But it's done by us and for us. Unless invited, it's reasonable to reject others imposing their values on our culture.
taylodl 4y ago
It is many people's greatest fear that their kids might start to think...

gjsman-1000 4y ago

This is terrible logic, as when does a corporation performing highly influential campaigns ever have the public interest at heart? In which case, the easiest way to show why this is a bad idea, is imagine if the roles were reversed (i.e. social media was instilling values you didn't agree with and thought were backwards). I don't have to agree with either side to think that allowing a corporation to have such influence over the formation of children is a terrible idea. Especially when said corporations have a long history of scandals (TikTok bowing to CCP, Facebook and Cambridge Analytics, Twitter...) The only reason I can think of, for why we would be OK with this, is not a principled stance - rather, you just support the political views social media is instilling.

Shared404 4y ago
> rather, you just support the political views social media is instilling. People being able to see ideas outside of what their parents and communities see, particularly with respect to human rights (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33924352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33924352)? I suppose I do agree with that. To be clear - facebook? Trash. Twitter? Trash. Instagram? Trash. But it is important for people to learn that things they've been told their whole life are not necessarily true, and social media is sometimes the only way for that to happen.

hobotime 4y ago

Shared404 4y ago
While these jokes are funny, they unfortunately lend credence to people who need to be convinced that their conspiracies are true. To be clear to anyone else watching this - there is no "indoctrination" going on, only people being exposed to new ideas. Sorry for taking this overly seriously. It gets tiring dealing with people at least once or twice a week who actually, fully believe this.

gffrd 4y ago

Yikes, really? And what do they fear the impact of this to be? (Honest question)

bradlys 4y ago
Cultural change. Loss of their political power. Less consolidation of capital.
- Shared404 4y ago
  ^ this is a good summary. E for more detail: Most individuals who feel this way fear at least one of these greatly, and may or may not fear the others. The people I am thinking of mostly fall in the "cultural change" category. See (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33924352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33924352) for one example.
hobotime 4y ago
My fear is that culture of my people will be assimilated and co-opted. My culture is thousands of years old, and we've survived plagues, war, and murder. I'd like to transmit this culture to my children as I feel it's valuable.
- b3morales 4y ago
  I wager though that if we grabbed a person from your culture from two thousand years ago they would find many differences comparing their experience of the culture with yours. It's inevitable that it will change and adapt over time. The only completely fixed culture is the one that has no participants any more.
  - hobotime 4y ago
    Of course we've adapted and learned from our experience. But it's done by us and for us. Unless invited, it's reasonable to reject others imposing their values on our culture.

taylodl 4y ago

It is many people's greatest fear that their kids might start to think...