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> Biofuels are basically dead because they cost more to produce than gasoline and people aren't going to accept an increase in energy costs. That's simply not
by ravenstine 4y ago
> Biofuels are basically dead because they cost more to produce than gasoline and people aren't going to accept an increase in energy costs.
That's simply not factual for ethanol.
Also, the blanket term "biofuels" isn't particularly useful here because it can mean many things. I'm talking strictly about ethanol. Not biodiesel, not methanol, not LPNG.
> Electric vehicles are now viable specifically because they have a lower cost per mile than gasoline.
Even if that were to remain true, sorry, I'm not getting another car loan to replace a car that's already working. That's the reality for the vast majority of people. EVs need to come further down in price by far.
> The average car is around 12 years old, implying that if we replaced all new cars with electric, we'd have replaced at least half of them within 12 years.
Half of people aren't going to trade in for EVs within 12 years unless the price is right. The prices for even used EVs aren't anywhere near where they need to be for people who live outside the elite bubble. As long as used cars and aftermarket parts can be sold, people will run all the remaining ICVs into the ground, and that can take a very long time with modern vehicles even when treating them like crap.
> Finding a good deal on a used electric car isn't that easy right now because there aren't that many of them, which changes the more new cars are electric.
Those deals have never been easy to find, but the promise of affordable EVs has always been "just around the corner." I'll wait for EVs to make financial sense in the short term future, but I won't count on it.
- AnthonyMouse 4y ago> That's simply not factual for ethanol. It is if you take away the subsidies. > Even if that were to remain true, sorry, I'm not getting another car loan to replace a car that's already working. That's the reality for the vast majority of people. EVs need to come further down in price by far. The base Model 3 costs less than the average new car. You don't have to get another car loan, you can keep driving the car you have for another ten years, then buy a ten year old EV which someone else is buying new today. It's the elites who buy new cars. You still end up driving an EV in ten years. > Those deals have never been easy to find, but the promise of affordable EVs has always been "just around the corner." EVs have only very recently been produced in volume and are still only ~6% of new cars, and a far lower proportion of used cars. The thing that makes them affordable as used cars is to be a high proportion of new cars and then wait five or ten years.