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> ...two forms of photo ID... I have one valid photo ID. Most people have only one valid photo ID. How is this supposed to work?

by frob 4y ago

Dalewyn 4y ago
For some governmental (aka official) examples: * State-issued ID card (aka the lesser equivalent to a driver's license card) * Federal-issued passport * Federal-issued passport card (yes, these are a thing) For some informal examples (if they have a photo): * Company ID card/documentation * Library card * Medical card ---- Everyone always has access to a state-issued ID card (or driver's license) and a passport issued by the federal government. Most people satisfy the "two forms of identification" requirement found in many situations with them.
- wlesieutre 4y ago
  > Everyone always has access to a state-issued ID card (or driver's license) and a passport issued by the federal government. Most people satisfy the "two forms of identification" requirement found in many situations with them. Most Americans don't have a passport, so that can't possibly be true
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    That is by choice, and if someone doesn't want to obtain a passport then that's their problem. The opportunity is there, should they wish to pursue it.
    - 0xffff2 4y ago
      Passports aren't free.
      - Dalewyn 4y ago
        So? Passports aren't expensive either. EDIT: I looked up the fees, it is $130 USD for a passport book, both for first-time issuance (plus separate fee of $35) and renewals. Most passports are valid for 10 years. That is not expensive, and practically free. Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Passport%20Fees%20Chart_TSG_JAN%202022.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Pa...
        nsxwolf 4y ago
        That's expensive to most regular people.
        Dalewyn 4y ago
        Most people buy thousand dollar smartphones, among other luxuries. $130 dollars for federally-issued identification that is valid for 10 years is not expensive.
        cnelsenmilt 4y ago
        Is $130 plus whatever a state ID costs a reasonable fee to pay (to the government) to access Facebook?
        justsomeadvice0 4y ago
        That's prohibitively expensive for an ID, even for most Americans. Any required government IDs should be nearly if not completely subsidized. Requiring IDs in the USA has historically been used as a form of voter suppression. Texas is one of the worst states WRT voter suppression [1]; anecdotally in the 2020 election (during COVID) Houston, TX (3rd largest city in America) had exactly 1 ballot dropbox [2]. 1. https://www.aclutx.org/en/news/5-ways-texas-suppresses-vote-and-how-make-your-vote-count https://www.aclutx.org/en/news/5-ways-texas-suppresses-vote-... 2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/13/trump-judges-reinstate-texas-limit-on-ballot-drop-off-locations/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/13/trump-j...
        DavidPeiffer 4y ago
- GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
  Plenty of people only have a SSN card and a birth certificate, as they neither drive (perhaps due to age or preference) or travel by plane (often for financial reasons or preference).
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    As I said in my other reply, their lack of governmental identification is by choice. Should they choose to not obtain them even if they have the opportunity, then that is their problem.
    - GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
      As I said in my other reply, its too expensive. Are you going to pay for it on their behalf? Additionally, how are you going to handle undocumented persons.
      - Dalewyn 4y ago
        $130 is not "too expensive", especially when it's a one-time expense every 10 years. What level of destitute do you have to be for that to be expensive? As for illegal aliens, they are illegal. They shouldn't be getting IDs issued by the government in the first place, be it state or federal, and should be deported as they are found.
        GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
        Perhaps you could be deported from HN
    - lukevp 4y ago
      What about people with disabilities who wouldn’t be able to get a license, and can’t afford / don’t have a way to travel to get ID at the DMV or whatever? Also, do you think Facebook should have more requirements to access than going to a grocery store or taking a bus or any other infrastructure activity you might do? Almost nothing requires double photo IDs, this requirement is ludicrous regardless of if you happen to be privileged enough to have good health and money and time to have multiple photo IDs and it’s not an issue for you personally.
- GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
  Passports are very expensive though, like hundreds of dollars. They’d have to make them free for this to work
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    US passports are $130 for both first-time issuance and renewals, though first-time issuance also has a separate $35 fee. Most passports are valid for 10 years. This is hardly expensive. Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Passport%20Fees%20Chart_TSG_JAN%202022.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Pa...
    - GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
      Thats too costly of a barrier to the legal right to share cat pictures
  - deleted 4y ago
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- warbler73 4y ago
  > Most people satisfy the "two forms of identification" requirement 53% of US adult citizens have a passport as of 11/22. Most of them have a state ID as well. So yes, a bare majority of citizens will be allowed internet access. I have never seen a library card or insurance card with a photo id that is accepted as id at all, much less valid id. Do you have examples and if so how common is this in Texas?
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    I don't live in Texas, and I did call library cards and the like informal. Passports are easy to obtain and are not expensive[1] at all. If someone chooses to not obtain them, that's their problem and not mine nor anyone else's. [1]: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Passport%20Fees%20Chart_TSG_JAN%202022.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Pa...
    - warbler73 4y ago
      Why do you think people without passports (or uncomfortable uploading government documents to nearly every website they wish to use) should not be allowed to use those websites.
- frob 4y ago
  Not everyone has a passport. It is a lot of work to get one, costs over $100, and can take months to have them delivered.
guywithahat 4y ago
This article is incorrect. What the bill says is you need to provide a photo ID, and then you need to provide a photo of yourself to prove you're the person on the ID (presumably like those tinder verify features where you take a picture of yourself doing a silly pose to prove you're the person in the photos you uploaded). That said this bill is being proposed, so it's expected to change, particularly on implementation. It's basically a rough draft
warbler73 4y ago
"Man's got a point. Two is no good. Let's make it three photo ids." - Texas Legislator Tex "Hole up there son, we don't want to have to revisit this every year to patch holes. Let's put in a safety margin: Five photo ids." - Texas Legislator Champ

> ...two forms of photo ID... I have one valid photo ID. Most people have only one valid photo ID. How is this supposed to work?

by frob 4y ago

> ...two forms of photo ID... I have one valid photo ID. Most people have only one valid photo ID. How is this supposed to work?

Dalewyn 4y ago

For some governmental (aka official) examples: * State-issued ID card (aka the lesser equivalent to a driver's license card) * Federal-issued passport * Federal-issued passport card (yes, these are a thing) For some informal examples (if they have a photo): * Company ID card/documentation * Library card * Medical card ---- Everyone always has access to a state-issued ID card (or driver's license) and a passport issued by the federal government. Most people satisfy the "two forms of identification" requirement found in many situations with them.

wlesieutre 4y ago
> Everyone always has access to a state-issued ID card (or driver's license) and a passport issued by the federal government. Most people satisfy the "two forms of identification" requirement found in many situations with them. Most Americans don't have a passport, so that can't possibly be true
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  That is by choice, and if someone doesn't want to obtain a passport then that's their problem. The opportunity is there, should they wish to pursue it.
  - 0xffff2 4y ago
    Passports aren't free.
    - Dalewyn 4y ago
      So? Passports aren't expensive either. EDIT: I looked up the fees, it is $130 USD for a passport book, both for first-time issuance (plus separate fee of $35) and renewals. Most passports are valid for 10 years. That is not expensive, and practically free. Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Passport%20Fees%20Chart_TSG_JAN%202022.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Pa...
      - nsxwolf 4y ago
        That's expensive to most regular people.
        Dalewyn 4y ago
        Most people buy thousand dollar smartphones, among other luxuries. $130 dollars for federally-issued identification that is valid for 10 years is not expensive.
        cnelsenmilt 4y ago
        Is $130 plus whatever a state ID costs a reasonable fee to pay (to the government) to access Facebook?
      - justsomeadvice0 4y ago
        That's prohibitively expensive for an ID, even for most Americans. Any required government IDs should be nearly if not completely subsidized. Requiring IDs in the USA has historically been used as a form of voter suppression. Texas is one of the worst states WRT voter suppression [1]; anecdotally in the 2020 election (during COVID) Houston, TX (3rd largest city in America) had exactly 1 ballot dropbox [2]. 1. https://www.aclutx.org/en/news/5-ways-texas-suppresses-vote-and-how-make-your-vote-count https://www.aclutx.org/en/news/5-ways-texas-suppresses-vote-... 2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/13/trump-judges-reinstate-texas-limit-on-ballot-drop-off-locations/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/13/trump-j...
      - DavidPeiffer 4y ago
GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
Plenty of people only have a SSN card and a birth certificate, as they neither drive (perhaps due to age or preference) or travel by plane (often for financial reasons or preference).
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  As I said in my other reply, their lack of governmental identification is by choice. Should they choose to not obtain them even if they have the opportunity, then that is their problem.
  - GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
    As I said in my other reply, its too expensive. Are you going to pay for it on their behalf? Additionally, how are you going to handle undocumented persons.
    - Dalewyn 4y ago
      $130 is not "too expensive", especially when it's a one-time expense every 10 years. What level of destitute do you have to be for that to be expensive? As for illegal aliens, they are illegal. They shouldn't be getting IDs issued by the government in the first place, be it state or federal, and should be deported as they are found.
      - GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
        Perhaps you could be deported from HN
  - lukevp 4y ago
    What about people with disabilities who wouldn’t be able to get a license, and can’t afford / don’t have a way to travel to get ID at the DMV or whatever? Also, do you think Facebook should have more requirements to access than going to a grocery store or taking a bus or any other infrastructure activity you might do? Almost nothing requires double photo IDs, this requirement is ludicrous regardless of if you happen to be privileged enough to have good health and money and time to have multiple photo IDs and it’s not an issue for you personally.
GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
Passports are very expensive though, like hundreds of dollars. They’d have to make them free for this to work
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  US passports are $130 for both first-time issuance and renewals, though first-time issuance also has a separate $35 fee. Most passports are valid for 10 years. This is hardly expensive. Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Passport%20Fees%20Chart_TSG_JAN%202022.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Pa...
  - GoOnThenDoTell 4y ago
    Thats too costly of a barrier to the legal right to share cat pictures
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
warbler73 4y ago
> Most people satisfy the "two forms of identification" requirement 53% of US adult citizens have a passport as of 11/22. Most of them have a state ID as well. So yes, a bare majority of citizens will be allowed internet access. I have never seen a library card or insurance card with a photo id that is accepted as id at all, much less valid id. Do you have examples and if so how common is this in Texas?
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  I don't live in Texas, and I did call library cards and the like informal. Passports are easy to obtain and are not expensive[1] at all. If someone chooses to not obtain them, that's their problem and not mine nor anyone else's. [1]: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Passport%20Fees%20Chart_TSG_JAN%202022.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Pa...
  - warbler73 4y ago
    Why do you think people without passports (or uncomfortable uploading government documents to nearly every website they wish to use) should not be allowed to use those websites.
frob 4y ago
Not everyone has a passport. It is a lot of work to get one, costs over $100, and can take months to have them delivered.

guywithahat 4y ago

This article is incorrect. What the bill says is you need to provide a photo ID, and then you need to provide a photo of yourself to prove you're the person on the ID (presumably like those tinder verify features where you take a picture of yourself doing a silly pose to prove you're the person in the photos you uploaded). That said this bill is being proposed, so it's expected to change, particularly on implementation. It's basically a rough draft

warbler73 4y ago

"Man's got a point. Two is no good. Let's make it three photo ids." - Texas Legislator Tex "Hole up there son, we don't want to have to revisit this every year to patch holes. Let's put in a safety margin: Five photo ids." - Texas Legislator Champ