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No one's who's done business selling to consumers is cheering about this. What exactly is gained for the society when a business has to show bike ads to basketb

by Satam 4y ago

No one's who's done business selling to consumers is cheering about this. What exactly is gained for the society when a business has to show bike ads to basketball enthusiasts?

snapcaster 4y ago
Fuck advertisers, fuck surveillance. Nothing is gained for society when any kinds of ads are run, but less ability to track and spy on me _is_ good for society
marricks 4y ago
Always love finding the Facebook-stans. If you want to know what can go wrong look up Cambridge Analytica. Also, this may be hard to believe, but, most people don’t like ads and don’t value “useful ads” over their personal privacy.
fnord123 4y ago
If I already own a basketball then I don't need a month of ads for more basketballs.
swores 4y ago
Counter-point, I've made a career out of doing B2C marketing including spending plenty on Facebook - I'm cheering for this, as are my colleagues.
isbvhodnvemrwvn 4y ago
What entitles you to spy on me? I don't give a shit about your revenue.
- Satam 4y ago
  It's not my revenue. If you believe any business is evil if it has has paid salaries out of the revenues boosted by efficient advertising, that's your prerogative. I am open to hearing how exactly targeted advertising has damaged our society but I will not accept vague notions of spying and privacy as an argument. Most of the entities powerful enough to spy on you currently, will continue to do so discretely.
  - starbugs 4y ago
    Does "Cambridge Analytica" ring a bell, maybe?
    - Satam 4y ago
      Could you elaborate which part of Cambridge Analytica's actions you object to? Not that I disagree but I don't consider targeted advertising, that is available to everyone during election, as a smoking gun of any kind. I assume you are more so referring to the fact they illegally obtained people's data (gathering of which wasn't related to targeted advertising).
      - starbugs 4y ago
        To be honest, I don't remember the details and I don't want to waste time looking them up again anymore. My opinion (and that seems to be that of many) is that targeted advertising is not desirable. Neither from a user perspective (I don't want to give my data to a FANG company) nor from a society perspective. It opens up the flood gates for misuse like the CA case and it doesn't make the world a better place. And it's not only that isolated case, it's FB's own behavior - things like scraping and cross referencing Bluetooth network and contact information. It's a recipe for disaster. Find a better business model.
        Satam 4y ago
        You asked me 'Does "Cambridge Analytica" ring a bell?', but apparently it barely rang anything for yourself. I see you haven't researched the topic in question and have stated you are not going "to waste time". This actually succinctly summarizes most of the knee-jerk reactions.
        starbugs 4y ago
        I never said that I didn't react in a knee-jerk fashion though. I think it's appropriate to react this way in this context.
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Nextgrid 4y ago
A lot of us around here seem to live perfectly fine despite effectively seeing zero advertising with a combination of ad blockers and avoiding ad-supported services so I’m wondering why do you think advertising is an essential concept that needs to be preserved and defended?

by Satam 4y ago

No one's who's done business selling to consumers is cheering about this. What exactly is gained for the society when a business has to show bike ads to basketball enthusiasts?

snapcaster 4y ago

Fuck advertisers, fuck surveillance. Nothing is gained for society when any kinds of ads are run, but less ability to track and spy on me _is_ good for society

marricks 4y ago

Always love finding the Facebook-stans. If you want to know what can go wrong look up Cambridge Analytica. Also, this may be hard to believe, but, most people don’t like ads and don’t value “useful ads” over their personal privacy.

fnord123 4y ago

If I already own a basketball then I don't need a month of ads for more basketballs.

swores 4y ago

Counter-point, I've made a career out of doing B2C marketing including spending plenty on Facebook - I'm cheering for this, as are my colleagues.

isbvhodnvemrwvn 4y ago

What entitles you to spy on me? I don't give a shit about your revenue.

Satam 4y ago
It's not my revenue. If you believe any business is evil if it has has paid salaries out of the revenues boosted by efficient advertising, that's your prerogative. I am open to hearing how exactly targeted advertising has damaged our society but I will not accept vague notions of spying and privacy as an argument. Most of the entities powerful enough to spy on you currently, will continue to do so discretely.
- starbugs 4y ago
  Does "Cambridge Analytica" ring a bell, maybe?
  - Satam 4y ago
    Could you elaborate which part of Cambridge Analytica's actions you object to? Not that I disagree but I don't consider targeted advertising, that is available to everyone during election, as a smoking gun of any kind. I assume you are more so referring to the fact they illegally obtained people's data (gathering of which wasn't related to targeted advertising).
    - starbugs 4y ago
      To be honest, I don't remember the details and I don't want to waste time looking them up again anymore. My opinion (and that seems to be that of many) is that targeted advertising is not desirable. Neither from a user perspective (I don't want to give my data to a FANG company) nor from a society perspective. It opens up the flood gates for misuse like the CA case and it doesn't make the world a better place. And it's not only that isolated case, it's FB's own behavior - things like scraping and cross referencing Bluetooth network and contact information. It's a recipe for disaster. Find a better business model.
      - Satam 4y ago
        You asked me 'Does "Cambridge Analytica" ring a bell?', but apparently it barely rang anything for yourself. I see you haven't researched the topic in question and have stated you are not going "to waste time". This actually succinctly summarizes most of the knee-jerk reactions.
        starbugs 4y ago
        I never said that I didn't react in a knee-jerk fashion though. I think it's appropriate to react this way in this context.
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Nextgrid 4y ago

A lot of us around here seem to live perfectly fine despite effectively seeing zero advertising with a combination of ad blockers and avoiding ad-supported services so I’m wondering why do you think advertising is an essential concept that needs to be preserved and defended?