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An electric truck can cover a lot less ground with a full battery charge than a diesel truck with a full tank am I right? What happens to the price of essential

An electric truck can cover a lot less ground with a full battery charge than a diesel truck with a full tank am I right? What happens to the price of essential goods like food and medicine since the cost of transportation to poorer areas? Does it prevents more deaths or does it exacerbates issues like infant mortality on poor areas?

AnthonyMouse 4y ago
The cost per mile for electric vehicles is lower, not higher, and improves the more miles you put on them.
- irusensei 4y ago
  Do you have a source on that? I understand diesel is a very efficient fuel.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    Diesel is slightly more power dense than gasoline, but usually more expensive to purchase. The capital costs are much higher, as are the maintenance costs. You don't buy a diesel to save money, you buy it for torque. Electric is so much cheaper that the only reason EVs haven't abruptly taken >50% of the market is because capital cost remains fairly high and charging availability is still low compared to liquid fuels. Normally, efficiency improvements significantly smaller than the EV advantage result in dramatic movements in buying patterns.
  - brianwawok 4y ago
    Ask any trucker or do basic MPG math. Moving a loaded semi 500 miles is like $260-350 in diesel. Moving the tesla semi 500 miles is like $50 at $0.13 per kWh.
  - xnx 4y ago
    Here's some of the math on diesel vs. electric: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2022/12/08/teslas-new-semi-truck-will-be-great-if-you-get-your-electricity-wisely/?sh=5f090dda2b5a https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2022/12/08/teslas...
ceejayoz 4y ago
> An electric truck can cover a lot less ground with a full battery charge than a diesel truck with a full tank am I right? No. The 500ish mile range on these roughly corresponds to the maximum amount of time drivers are legally permitted to do in one go, and most trucking is short-haul routes.
- irusensei 4y ago
  Legally where? I'm not talking about west Europe or coastal US.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Where are you imagining a combination of minimal road safety regulation and rapid EV semi adoption?
    - irusensei 4y ago
      > Electric cars – and their continued sales growth – are expected to have a greener, cleaner influence on air pollution and reduce human mortality in most, if not all, U.S. metropolitan areas, according to Cornell research published in Renewable and Sustainable Energy Reviews (March 2023). US truck drivers work under a 14 hour daily limit. A full diesel tank can cover that. Can electric do the same without decreasing the cargo capacity in favor of bateries?
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        > US truck drivers work under a 14 hour daily limit. 11 hours of that is permitted to be driving time, and you must take a 30 minute break after eight. (Good time to charge!) 8 x 55mph average speed = 440 miles. Perfect. https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Drivers%20Guide%20to%20HOS%202015_508.pdf https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Dri... > This window is usually thought of as a “daily” limit even though it is not based on a 24-hour period. You are allowed a period of 14 consecutive hours in which to drive up to 11 hours after being off duty for 10 or more consecutive hours. > The hours-of-service regulations require that if more than 8 consecutive hours have passed since the last off-duty (or sleeper-berth) period of at least half an hour, a driver must take an off-duty break of at least 30 minutes before driving. For example, if the driver started driving immediately after coming on duty, he or she could drive for 8 consecutive hours, take a half-hour break, and then drive another 3 hours for a total of 11 hours. In another example, this driver could drive for 3 hours, take a half-hour break, and then drive another 8 hours, for a total of 11 hours.
russdill 4y ago
I appreciate that there are corner cases that are difficult to solve with electric vehicles. I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion.
- irusensei 4y ago
  > reduce human mortality in most, *if not all*, U.S. metropolitan areas FTFA

AnthonyMouse 4y ago

The cost per mile for electric vehicles is lower, not higher, and improves the more miles you put on them.

irusensei 4y ago
Do you have a source on that? I understand diesel is a very efficient fuel.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Diesel is slightly more power dense than gasoline, but usually more expensive to purchase. The capital costs are much higher, as are the maintenance costs. You don't buy a diesel to save money, you buy it for torque. Electric is so much cheaper that the only reason EVs haven't abruptly taken >50% of the market is because capital cost remains fairly high and charging availability is still low compared to liquid fuels. Normally, efficiency improvements significantly smaller than the EV advantage result in dramatic movements in buying patterns.
- brianwawok 4y ago
  Ask any trucker or do basic MPG math. Moving a loaded semi 500 miles is like $260-350 in diesel. Moving the tesla semi 500 miles is like $50 at $0.13 per kWh.
- xnx 4y ago
  Here's some of the math on diesel vs. electric: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2022/12/08/teslas-new-semi-truck-will-be-great-if-you-get-your-electricity-wisely/?sh=5f090dda2b5a https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2022/12/08/teslas...

ceejayoz 4y ago

> An electric truck can cover a lot less ground with a full battery charge than a diesel truck with a full tank am I right? No. The 500ish mile range on these roughly corresponds to the maximum amount of time drivers are legally permitted to do in one go, and most trucking is short-haul routes.

irusensei 4y ago
Legally where? I'm not talking about west Europe or coastal US.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  Where are you imagining a combination of minimal road safety regulation and rapid EV semi adoption?
  - irusensei 4y ago
    > Electric cars – and their continued sales growth – are expected to have a greener, cleaner influence on air pollution and reduce human mortality in most, if not all, U.S. metropolitan areas, according to Cornell research published in Renewable and Sustainable Energy Reviews (March 2023). US truck drivers work under a 14 hour daily limit. A full diesel tank can cover that. Can electric do the same without decreasing the cargo capacity in favor of bateries?
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      > US truck drivers work under a 14 hour daily limit. 11 hours of that is permitted to be driving time, and you must take a 30 minute break after eight. (Good time to charge!) 8 x 55mph average speed = 440 miles. Perfect. https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Drivers%20Guide%20to%20HOS%202015_508.pdf https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/sites/fmcsa.dot.gov/files/docs/Dri... > This window is usually thought of as a “daily” limit even though it is not based on a 24-hour period. You are allowed a period of 14 consecutive hours in which to drive up to 11 hours after being off duty for 10 or more consecutive hours. > The hours-of-service regulations require that if more than 8 consecutive hours have passed since the last off-duty (or sleeper-berth) period of at least half an hour, a driver must take an off-duty break of at least 30 minutes before driving. For example, if the driver started driving immediately after coming on duty, he or she could drive for 8 consecutive hours, take a half-hour break, and then drive another 3 hours for a total of 11 hours. In another example, this driver could drive for 3 hours, take a half-hour break, and then drive another 8 hours, for a total of 11 hours.

russdill 4y ago

I appreciate that there are corner cases that are difficult to solve with electric vehicles. I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion.

irusensei 4y ago
> reduce human mortality in most, *if not all*, U.S. metropolitan areas FTFA