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Do not ever forget what was promised: Russia in rubble in two weeks from sanctions and Russia out of missiles in two weeks. This was the "negotiated" social con

by oxff 4y ago

Do not ever forget what was promised: Russia in rubble in two weeks from sanctions and Russia out of missiles in two weeks. This was the "negotiated" social contract upon which quality of life in other parts of Europe was thrown into a dog shit trash fire. These kinds of articles are just not-so subtle cover for the once again failure of leaders here, and moving the goalposts and rewriting of history.

djaychela 4y ago
Do you have sources for those claims? I don't remember hearing either - my recollection is that there were warnings that sanctions would have some effect but take a long time to work, and the Russian economy would be supported by China and India, among others.
- themgt 4y ago
  As a result of our unprecedented sanctions, the ruble was almost immediately reduced to rubble. The Russian economy is on track to be cut in half. It was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion — and soon, it will not even rank among the top 20. - President Biden, Mar 26, 2022 https://twitter.com/potus/status/1507842574865866763 https://twitter.com/potus/status/1507842574865866763
  - jmull 4y ago
    I'm defending this idiotic tweet (sanctions have never been quick work), but it doesn't make the claims the previous poster was talking about.
daveguy 4y ago
You are way off here. It was Russia who was promising that Ukraine would fall in two weeks. The response was always going to be a hard defense. And Ukraine has been incredibly successful with their defense. That defense includes these sanctions and material support of Ukraine. Russia's invasion has been a resource sucking failure for Putin.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
Nobody on either side with a brain and/or a knowledge of history believed the "it'll be over by Christmas" shit. It NEVER is. I agree, people were lied to, but that's what politicians do. At some point people need to stop being angry at the politicians and be angry at the enablers.
moloch-hai 4y ago
No one said any such thing in any credible forum. Sanctions were the lever that was available. Quality of life in Europe was not thrown into a "dog shit trash fire", whatever that is supposed to be. Claims Germans would "freeze in the dark", expressed in less credible forums (e.g. here), proved false.
regnull 4y ago
I guess we need to apologize to Russia and Putin and just hope that maybe, maybe he will be kind enough to give Europe cheap oil and gas.
Nvorzula 4y ago
> Russia in rubble in two weeks from sanctions and Russia out of missiles in two weeks. I'm not sure I ever heard such promises. In fact, I distinctly remember the opposite being the general zeitgeist of the time - that Russia would rollover Ukraine with little resistance.

by oxff 4y ago

djaychela 4y ago

Do you have sources for those claims? I don't remember hearing either - my recollection is that there were warnings that sanctions would have some effect but take a long time to work, and the Russian economy would be supported by China and India, among others.

themgt 4y ago
As a result of our unprecedented sanctions, the ruble was almost immediately reduced to rubble. The Russian economy is on track to be cut in half. It was ranked the 11th biggest economy in the world before this invasion — and soon, it will not even rank among the top 20. - President Biden, Mar 26, 2022 https://twitter.com/potus/status/1507842574865866763 https://twitter.com/potus/status/1507842574865866763
- jmull 4y ago
  I'm defending this idiotic tweet (sanctions have never been quick work), but it doesn't make the claims the previous poster was talking about.

daveguy 4y ago

You are way off here. It was Russia who was promising that Ukraine would fall in two weeks. The response was always going to be a hard defense. And Ukraine has been incredibly successful with their defense. That defense includes these sanctions and material support of Ukraine. Russia's invasion has been a resource sucking failure for Putin.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

Nobody on either side with a brain and/or a knowledge of history believed the "it'll be over by Christmas" shit. It NEVER is. I agree, people were lied to, but that's what politicians do. At some point people need to stop being angry at the politicians and be angry at the enablers.

moloch-hai 4y ago

No one said any such thing in any credible forum. Sanctions were the lever that was available. Quality of life in Europe was not thrown into a "dog shit trash fire", whatever that is supposed to be. Claims Germans would "freeze in the dark", expressed in less credible forums (e.g. here), proved false.

regnull 4y ago

I guess we need to apologize to Russia and Putin and just hope that maybe, maybe he will be kind enough to give Europe cheap oil and gas.

Nvorzula 4y ago

> Russia in rubble in two weeks from sanctions and Russia out of missiles in two weeks. I'm not sure I ever heard such promises. In fact, I distinctly remember the opposite being the general zeitgeist of the time - that Russia would rollover Ukraine with little resistance.