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I'm a vegan who loves fake meats. I know they're not ideal. But I still end up eating way more vegetables, beans, etc as a vegan than I do otherwise. I don't t

I'm a vegan who loves fake meats. I know they're not ideal. But I still end up eating way more vegetables, beans, etc as a vegan than I do otherwise. I don't think any fake meat is really satisfying enough for most people to eat it the way some omnivores sometimes eat animal proteins (as the main food for most meals). But I suppose it takes all kinds.

barbazoo 4y ago
The problem I think is we don't know how how to cook a meal from scratch anymore which makes any vegetarian or vegan diet suboptimal because of all the processed and overly packaged foods. Our lives don't allow anymore to wait 30 minutes for a porridge, 2 hours for a soup even if it's an async process. That's a prerequisite however for a healthy diet a lot of the times.
- mcculley 4y ago
  Whose lives are you talking about? This seems to be a generalization based on a small subset of humanity or something.
  - mersenne 4y ago
    He's probably talking about themself and a few close individuals, likely also from the tech scene. Remote work has made it easier than ever for many people to cook at home. Before the pandemic, meal prepping was a pretty convenient way to do it. A couple of hours a week can get you very far.
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      Tech people are the people who are are working from home, and are most able to cook. Barbazoo seems to me to be talking about the opposite of the tech scene, the 90% of people who don't have (or want to waste) an hour after work to cook dinner. Or even worse, take a half an hour away from sleeping every day to have time to cook breakfast, all for dubious benefit. Will processed, quick foods hurt you more than sleeping an hour and a half less a day?
      - moloch-hai 4y ago
        If it takes you an hour to prep dinner, you are either doing it for pleasure, for a crowd, or Wrong.
      - mcculley 4y ago
        If 90% of people are not cooking, it is by choice, not because they would have to steal time from sleeping. Modern marketing is very good at convincing people to do other things with their time than what is good for them. Some small subset might have to make hard choices about sleep versus cooking. Not 90%. Most are choosing something else over cooking.
        nverno 4y ago
        Right, if the average American spends more than a few hrs/day watching the tube, as commonly reported, they could easily spare 30 minutes/day to cook if they wanted.
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  It takes a couple of minutes to make porridge. Pour boiling water over a bowl of rolled oats, let it sit for a couple of minutes, ding in the microwave for 30 seconds.
  - barbazoo 4y ago
    Talking about steel cut oats, raisins, nuts, etc. I like to cook them for a while :)
    - Gordonjcp 4y ago
      So, not porridge then?
      - barbazoo 4y ago
        Sorry, I might have used the wrong word, that's what we call it.
    - x0x0 4y ago
      You need an instapot. It won't make it faster (wall time), but it reduces your effort to virtually zero. Dump the steel cut oats/milk/water in, push the magic button, and come back in 25 minutes. I've been eating this daily for breakfast for a couple years and it's great. No continuous stirring to prevent scalding the milk, no slightly burned milk welded to the bottom of your pot, etc. The recipe I like, fwiw: 2 parts (I use 1/2 cup) Bob's Red Mill steel cut oats; 3 parts whole milk; 2 parts water. 10 minutes on high pressure.
    - neuralRiot 4y ago
      Overnight oats are my way to go.
  - jjtheblunt 4y ago
    i see "porridge" used differently in differing contexts. what do you mean by it here?
    - 4y ago
- CaptainNegative 4y ago
  > which makes any vegetarian or vegan diet suboptimal because of all the processed and overly packaged foods I don't get why vegan and vegetarian food are highlighted here. People eat plenty of packaged or highly-processed meats, too. If anything, most raw items that don't require cooking are probably vegan, and there is no shortage of low-prep ones.
zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
Have you tried soy curls? I've been really getting into them lately. Soak them in some soy sauce and liquid smoke then air fry. Mmmm

barbazoo 4y ago

The problem I think is we don't know how how to cook a meal from scratch anymore which makes any vegetarian or vegan diet suboptimal because of all the processed and overly packaged foods. Our lives don't allow anymore to wait 30 minutes for a porridge, 2 hours for a soup even if it's an async process. That's a prerequisite however for a healthy diet a lot of the times.

mcculley 4y ago
Whose lives are you talking about? This seems to be a generalization based on a small subset of humanity or something.
- mersenne 4y ago
  He's probably talking about themself and a few close individuals, likely also from the tech scene. Remote work has made it easier than ever for many people to cook at home. Before the pandemic, meal prepping was a pretty convenient way to do it. A couple of hours a week can get you very far.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    Tech people are the people who are are working from home, and are most able to cook. Barbazoo seems to me to be talking about the opposite of the tech scene, the 90% of people who don't have (or want to waste) an hour after work to cook dinner. Or even worse, take a half an hour away from sleeping every day to have time to cook breakfast, all for dubious benefit. Will processed, quick foods hurt you more than sleeping an hour and a half less a day?
    - moloch-hai 4y ago
      If it takes you an hour to prep dinner, you are either doing it for pleasure, for a crowd, or Wrong.
    - mcculley 4y ago
      If 90% of people are not cooking, it is by choice, not because they would have to steal time from sleeping. Modern marketing is very good at convincing people to do other things with their time than what is good for them. Some small subset might have to make hard choices about sleep versus cooking. Not 90%. Most are choosing something else over cooking.
      - nverno 4y ago
        Right, if the average American spends more than a few hrs/day watching the tube, as commonly reported, they could easily spare 30 minutes/day to cook if they wanted.
Gordonjcp 4y ago
It takes a couple of minutes to make porridge. Pour boiling water over a bowl of rolled oats, let it sit for a couple of minutes, ding in the microwave for 30 seconds.
- barbazoo 4y ago
  Talking about steel cut oats, raisins, nuts, etc. I like to cook them for a while :)
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    So, not porridge then?
    - barbazoo 4y ago
      Sorry, I might have used the wrong word, that's what we call it.
  - x0x0 4y ago
    You need an instapot. It won't make it faster (wall time), but it reduces your effort to virtually zero. Dump the steel cut oats/milk/water in, push the magic button, and come back in 25 minutes. I've been eating this daily for breakfast for a couple years and it's great. No continuous stirring to prevent scalding the milk, no slightly burned milk welded to the bottom of your pot, etc. The recipe I like, fwiw: 2 parts (I use 1/2 cup) Bob's Red Mill steel cut oats; 3 parts whole milk; 2 parts water. 10 minutes on high pressure.
  - neuralRiot 4y ago
    Overnight oats are my way to go.
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
  i see "porridge" used differently in differing contexts. what do you mean by it here?
  - 4y ago
CaptainNegative 4y ago
> which makes any vegetarian or vegan diet suboptimal because of all the processed and overly packaged foods I don't get why vegan and vegetarian food are highlighted here. People eat plenty of packaged or highly-processed meats, too. If anything, most raw items that don't require cooking are probably vegan, and there is no shortage of low-prep ones.

zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago

Have you tried soy curls? I've been really getting into them lately. Soak them in some soy sauce and liquid smoke then air fry. Mmmm