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Call it what you want. Russia is switching from export to internal consumption. Getting something like 30 years mortgage on house, was unheard of until recently

Call it what you want. Russia is switching from export to internal consumption. Getting something like 30 years mortgage on house, was unheard of until recently. If West can run quantitative easing for 15 years, why not Russia?

oneoff786 4y ago
Because people want dollars
popilewiz 4y ago
Nifty3929 4y ago
Because you cannot eat money, or live in money. A country can QE forever, but this will not put food on the table or shoes on people's feet. If people want those things, they must either be produced or imported. QE doesn't help with either of those. Production is a physical act, not a monetary one. And if you want to import from somewhere, then you need that nation's currency to do so. Which means that in turn you must have produced something to exchange for that currency.
- riku_iki 4y ago
  > Which means that in turn you must have produced something to exchange for that currency. and Russia still perfectly sells oil and gas.
  - Nifty3929 4y ago
    Yes exactly. But I don't think QE will help.
    - riku_iki 4y ago
      why do you think Russia is doing any QE and why they would need it?..
      - Nifty3929 4y ago
        I don't know anything about whether or not Russia is doing any QE. I was responding to the question: "If West can run quantitative easing for 15 years, why not Russia?" by explaining why, even if they could do QE forever, it would probably not help.
- allisdust 4y ago
  They have more than enough food to eat (except of course things that don't exactly grow there). They have surplus in energy and fertiliser. What they would lack in the short and medium term are high tech products like chips, advanced medicine. Given enough time and drive any energy and food surplus society can reinvent the high tech stuff. Of course it doesn't mean they would, seeing how corrupt the whole ruling class is. But it is theoretically possible for them to be totally independent of the rest of the world. They are blessed with too many natural resources to not be able to do it.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    There's also a question of trajectory of the high tech stuff vs the rest of the world. I don't see any reasons for it not to lag more and more behind.
    - 082349872349872 4y ago
      Especially because lagging more and more behind is exactly what happened to the Union.
- avn2109 4y ago
  Not to devil's advocate, but this sounds like an argument which might apply at least as well to the USA as it does to Russia.
  - Nifty3929 4y ago
    It absolutely, definitely does. And it's a shame that we (I'm a United Statesian) never examine our policies from this perspective. We focus a lot on solving money problems (inflation, inequity, etc), but never consider how our solutions to these issues affect production, which is what matters most. If we solve inflation and kill productivity, what have we gained?
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Not to devil's advocate, but this sounds like an argument which might apply at least as well to the USA as it does to Russia. It would, if USA was pursuing QE with already-high inflation.
- unmole 4y ago
  > Which means that in turn you must have produced something to exchange for that currency. You mean stuff like oil, wheat, fertilizer or aluminium? Yeah, there's no way Russia will be able to manage that. /s
  - Nifty3929 4y ago
    Russia produces lots of these things as you're saying, and as long as they continue to do so they'll be fundamentally fine. I don't think QE will help though.
kilroy123 4y ago
Because the US dollar is the reserve currency of the world. This won't work if you're an isolated economy with a barely traded currency.
- jollyllama 4y ago
  Sounds like "policy tricks."
- Rury 4y ago
  Some people argue if the US were to lose its reserve currency status, this is likely how it would start. Nations doing QE, against a tightening dollar, and starting to seek doing international trade in currencies other than dollars. Russia is doing this now. China is also seeking to do the same with Saudi Arabia (https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/dollar-dominance-dedollarization-china-saudi-arabia-oil-deal-crude-price-2022-12 https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/dollar-...).
dragonwriter 4y ago
> If West can run quantitative easing for 15 years Who did that? US did 6 years starting in 2008 due to the Great Recession and less than 2 starting in 2020 in response to the unusually deep, if quite short, pandemic recession, and the latter of those, because it wasn’t tapered quickly enough for the circumstances, triggered the highest inflation seen in a long time. > why not Russia? Russia can do QE as long as it wants, but QE is just self-inflicted inflation. It is a band-aid for incipient deflation, which isn’t a problem Russia has.
foverzar 4y ago
> if West can run quantitative easing for 15 years, why not Russia? Is it the West or specifically the US. United States can do this because of the dollar's role in global economy: essentially everyone else will be paying for it. Obviously, Russia can't do that. But might you have had something else in mind, since you've said "West" and not specifically "the US"?
pestatije 4y ago
Because that won't help them...Russia's is an "emerging economy" (or was before the war), basically all they do is selling commodities...but that's not the issue here, the issue is how it is governed...this country sold Alaska for $140 million and now are trying to get their hands on land the size of Washington for already 100k lost soldiers (and counting)...so historically a disaster of governance with the luck of its natural resources

oneoff786 4y ago

Because people want dollars

popilewiz 4y ago

Nifty3929 4y ago

Because you cannot eat money, or live in money. A country can QE forever, but this will not put food on the table or shoes on people's feet. If people want those things, they must either be produced or imported. QE doesn't help with either of those. Production is a physical act, not a monetary one. And if you want to import from somewhere, then you need that nation's currency to do so. Which means that in turn you must have produced something to exchange for that currency.

riku_iki 4y ago
> Which means that in turn you must have produced something to exchange for that currency. and Russia still perfectly sells oil and gas.
- Nifty3929 4y ago
  Yes exactly. But I don't think QE will help.
  - riku_iki 4y ago
    why do you think Russia is doing any QE and why they would need it?..
    - Nifty3929 4y ago
      I don't know anything about whether or not Russia is doing any QE. I was responding to the question: "If West can run quantitative easing for 15 years, why not Russia?" by explaining why, even if they could do QE forever, it would probably not help.
allisdust 4y ago
They have more than enough food to eat (except of course things that don't exactly grow there). They have surplus in energy and fertiliser. What they would lack in the short and medium term are high tech products like chips, advanced medicine. Given enough time and drive any energy and food surplus society can reinvent the high tech stuff. Of course it doesn't mean they would, seeing how corrupt the whole ruling class is. But it is theoretically possible for them to be totally independent of the rest of the world. They are blessed with too many natural resources to not be able to do it.
- lostmsu 4y ago
  There's also a question of trajectory of the high tech stuff vs the rest of the world. I don't see any reasons for it not to lag more and more behind.
  - 082349872349872 4y ago
    Especially because lagging more and more behind is exactly what happened to the Union.
avn2109 4y ago
Not to devil's advocate, but this sounds like an argument which might apply at least as well to the USA as it does to Russia.
- Nifty3929 4y ago
  It absolutely, definitely does. And it's a shame that we (I'm a United Statesian) never examine our policies from this perspective. We focus a lot on solving money problems (inflation, inequity, etc), but never consider how our solutions to these issues affect production, which is what matters most. If we solve inflation and kill productivity, what have we gained?
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Not to devil's advocate, but this sounds like an argument which might apply at least as well to the USA as it does to Russia. It would, if USA was pursuing QE with already-high inflation.
unmole 4y ago
> Which means that in turn you must have produced something to exchange for that currency. You mean stuff like oil, wheat, fertilizer or aluminium? Yeah, there's no way Russia will be able to manage that. /s
- Nifty3929 4y ago
  Russia produces lots of these things as you're saying, and as long as they continue to do so they'll be fundamentally fine. I don't think QE will help though.

kilroy123 4y ago

Because the US dollar is the reserve currency of the world. This won't work if you're an isolated economy with a barely traded currency.

jollyllama 4y ago
Sounds like "policy tricks."
Rury 4y ago
Some people argue if the US were to lose its reserve currency status, this is likely how it would start. Nations doing QE, against a tightening dollar, and starting to seek doing international trade in currencies other than dollars. Russia is doing this now. China is also seeking to do the same with Saudi Arabia (https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/dollar-dominance-dedollarization-china-saudi-arabia-oil-deal-crude-price-2022-12 https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/dollar-...).

dragonwriter 4y ago

> If West can run quantitative easing for 15 years Who did that? US did 6 years starting in 2008 due to the Great Recession and less than 2 starting in 2020 in response to the unusually deep, if quite short, pandemic recession, and the latter of those, because it wasn’t tapered quickly enough for the circumstances, triggered the highest inflation seen in a long time. > why not Russia? Russia can do QE as long as it wants, but QE is just self-inflicted inflation. It is a band-aid for incipient deflation, which isn’t a problem Russia has.

foverzar 4y ago

> if West can run quantitative easing for 15 years, why not Russia? Is it the West or specifically the US. United States can do this because of the dollar's role in global economy: essentially everyone else will be paying for it. Obviously, Russia can't do that. But might you have had something else in mind, since you've said "West" and not specifically "the US"?

pestatije 4y ago

Because that won't help them...Russia's is an "emerging economy" (or was before the war), basically all they do is selling commodities...but that's not the issue here, the issue is how it is governed...this country sold Alaska for $140 million and now are trying to get their hands on land the size of Washington for already 100k lost soldiers (and counting)...so historically a disaster of governance with the luck of its natural resources