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You are confusing socialism with dictatorship. The only thing your post has convinced me of is that you don't know what socialism is. If you can't name a singl
by kerkeslager 4y ago
You are confusing socialism with dictatorship.
The only thing your post has convinced me of is that you don't know what socialism is. If you can't name a single socialist country that isn't a dictatorship, that makes me think you aren't aware that they exist. And if you aren't aware that socialism is not equivalent to dictatorship, you aren't equipped to participate in this conversation.
> Give me liberty or give me death. You will find lots of the former in capitalism, and less in the latter.
It's a quintessentially capitalist thing to think that "___ or death" is an expression of freedom. The US is a country where diabetics are "free" to choose between working jobs that provide health insurance so they can barely afford insulin, or literally dying. I personally think being unable to quit your job isn't liberty, but I guess if you see dying as a viable option, that is technically a free choice. 1 point for capitalism, I guess.
> The leftist fools' utopian wet dream is to change capitalist countries. Why not just move to any one of the utopian countries, like China?
This is a straw man argument. I'm sure you can find some leftists who think of China as a utopia, but the vast majority of leftists, at least in the US, are anti-dictatorship. Personally, if you'd like to engage with an actual leftist instead of your fantasy caricature of a leftist, I'd be happy to present Norway or Denmark as places that are closer to my ideal utopia (while still not perfect).
As for your childish "love it or leave it" argument, the reason I'd like to live in the US instead of Norway or Denmark is that my family lives here. My sister just had a baby and I'd like to help raise my niece as well as help my parents navigate their later years.
If I ever have kids of my own, I may actually move to Europe, because then giving my children access to education and medical care without becoming a slave to debt becomes a higher priority.