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Come now, this could be verified with evidence. I'm sure these actions exist in a database and email trail. Musk could release the evidence himself, or use an a

by nrki 4y ago

Come now, this could be verified with evidence. I'm sure these actions exist in a database and email trail. Musk could release the evidence himself, or use an actual journalistic process and have someone impartial review it. But there is none, and so he hides behind his disdain of "the MSM" and posts yes/no answers to leading questions that only serve to rile up his base.

oska 4y ago
Your comment seems to me to be full of bad faith. > use an actual journalistic process There is a journalistic process being followed - two established journalists have been given comprehensive access to internal files and are documenting what they have found, while putting their discoveries in context. Elon is also promising that these files will be released publicly for other journalists and the interested public to pore over at a later date. > this could be verified with evidence And who's saying it won't be? This was not Elon volunteering this information himself. This was simply him replying in the affirmative to a question put to him. (And no, it was not a 'leading question'.) > he hides behind his disdain > questions that only serve to rile up his base Not worth replying to these. Just quoting as examples of your bad faith.
- philjohn 4y ago
  Handpicking journalists, and then laying down requirements for them to follow, vs something like the Panama papers where every news agency was granted access. Those things are not the same.
  - MockObject 4y ago
    The only requirement was that the story be broken on Twitter. Hardly the most chafing restriction a journalist has ever been subjected to.
    - philjohn 4y ago
      The only requirement we've been told ...
  - alexandre_m 4y ago
    Elon is smart, he's making all these news on Twitter to increase user engagement on his platform. I'm pretty sure he'll release this publicly à la "wikileak" to everyone after the exclusivity on Twitter has worn off.
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  >two established journalists have been given comprehensive access to internal files and are documenting what they have found, while putting their discoveries in context. Ahhh yes, posting tweets on Twitter is "putting their discoveries in context". Normally journalists provide context by writing in depth articles after they have formed all their thoughts.... and maybe even have it reviewed by an editor. >And who's saying it won't be? This was not Elon volunteering this information himself. This was simply him replying in the affirmative to a question put to him. (And no, it was not a 'leading question'.) Then say the name. If he knows it happened, then take the .5 second to type out 10 or more characters and name a name. OR say something like "Yes, I'll get a list shortly". But no, he gives a snide 'yes'. Which only furthers to rile up the mouth frothers. It's so immature.
  - MockObject 4y ago
    Given Elon's recent behavior, is it reasonable to worry that, after answering in the affirmative, no additional information will be forthcoming? Or is this a bad faith criticism?
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      Yes, it is reasonable to worry that no additional information will be forthcoming... Elon has a habit of lying. Is that a controversial statement? Is Elon's true motivations to shine sunlight at the old twitter or is it to put on another dog and pony show? Because he is failing at the former and not even trying to disguide the latter. I am interested in understanding more about twitter's past and most importantly CURRENT policies. Ideally in a more neutral tone. Elon's stated new policies seem pretty familiar with the old ones. With the one difference I am currently seeing is that sometime in the future, one might be able to see if their account is being "shadowbanned" or not.
      - MockObject 4y ago
        Elon's given unprecedented access to journalists, and is considering releasing all that information to the public, but you're worried that he's going to remain secretive regarding a topic that he voluntarily decided to tease? Elon, whom you characterize as running a dog and pony show, is going to miss another opportunity for drama? No, sorry, but there's no way I can see how that stance is reasonable.
- nrki 4y ago
  I think others have already replied with basically what I would have replied with, but to be clear: I was not talking about "Twitter Files Part 2", I was talking about the comment thread you posted. My hyperbole was not necessary, you're right, but one can't say EM doesn't have disdain for MSM - he says it almost every day.

by nrki 4y ago

oska 4y ago

Your comment seems to me to be full of bad faith. > use an actual journalistic process There is a journalistic process being followed - two established journalists have been given comprehensive access to internal files and are documenting what they have found, while putting their discoveries in context. Elon is also promising that these files will be released publicly for other journalists and the interested public to pore over at a later date. > this could be verified with evidence And who's saying it won't be? This was not Elon volunteering this information himself. This was simply him replying in the affirmative to a question put to him. (And no, it was not a 'leading question'.) > he hides behind his disdain > questions that only serve to rile up his base Not worth replying to these. Just quoting as examples of your bad faith.

philjohn 4y ago
Handpicking journalists, and then laying down requirements for them to follow, vs something like the Panama papers where every news agency was granted access. Those things are not the same.
- MockObject 4y ago
  The only requirement was that the story be broken on Twitter. Hardly the most chafing restriction a journalist has ever been subjected to.
  - philjohn 4y ago
    The only requirement we've been told ...
- alexandre_m 4y ago
  Elon is smart, he's making all these news on Twitter to increase user engagement on his platform. I'm pretty sure he'll release this publicly à la "wikileak" to everyone after the exclusivity on Twitter has worn off.
nickthegreek 4y ago
>two established journalists have been given comprehensive access to internal files and are documenting what they have found, while putting their discoveries in context. Ahhh yes, posting tweets on Twitter is "putting their discoveries in context". Normally journalists provide context by writing in depth articles after they have formed all their thoughts.... and maybe even have it reviewed by an editor. >And who's saying it won't be? This was not Elon volunteering this information himself. This was simply him replying in the affirmative to a question put to him. (And no, it was not a 'leading question'.) Then say the name. If he knows it happened, then take the .5 second to type out 10 or more characters and name a name. OR say something like "Yes, I'll get a list shortly". But no, he gives a snide 'yes'. Which only furthers to rile up the mouth frothers. It's so immature.
- MockObject 4y ago
  Given Elon's recent behavior, is it reasonable to worry that, after answering in the affirmative, no additional information will be forthcoming? Or is this a bad faith criticism?
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    Yes, it is reasonable to worry that no additional information will be forthcoming... Elon has a habit of lying. Is that a controversial statement? Is Elon's true motivations to shine sunlight at the old twitter or is it to put on another dog and pony show? Because he is failing at the former and not even trying to disguide the latter. I am interested in understanding more about twitter's past and most importantly CURRENT policies. Ideally in a more neutral tone. Elon's stated new policies seem pretty familiar with the old ones. With the one difference I am currently seeing is that sometime in the future, one might be able to see if their account is being "shadowbanned" or not.
    - MockObject 4y ago
      Elon's given unprecedented access to journalists, and is considering releasing all that information to the public, but you're worried that he's going to remain secretive regarding a topic that he voluntarily decided to tease? Elon, whom you characterize as running a dog and pony show, is going to miss another opportunity for drama? No, sorry, but there's no way I can see how that stance is reasonable.
nrki 4y ago
I think others have already replied with basically what I would have replied with, but to be clear: I was not talking about "Twitter Files Part 2", I was talking about the comment thread you posted. My hyperbole was not necessary, you're right, but one can't say EM doesn't have disdain for MSM - he says it almost every day.