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I think there is a difference between asking someone to reduce their social interaction and forcing them to reduce their social interaction

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
> there is a difference between asking someone to reduce their social interaction and forcing them Is there a difference? In what sense? What distinction is a virus going to make? A virus doesn't see that difference in motivation, it just sees warm cells. What difference would this distinction make to the epidemiology and public health? None. If you're going to argue the ethical "personal freedom" sense only, then like with smoking in public and my personal freedom to not inhale second-hand smoke, you're going to have to take into account the ethical dimension of saving lives and not transmitting disease to innocent bystanders. In both cases we breath the same air. A "personal freedom only" approach to public heath when we breath the same air is, and always will be, laughably unworkable: it's simply a category error, the wrong tool. If the COVID pandemic hasn't made that clear then I don't know what will.
- t0bia_s 4y ago
  So... Should we ban alcohol, tobacco, cars and force everyone to wear helmets? Sometimes is just better to not pretend that we are immortal. We forget how to live under the hood of fear from death.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
    > So... Should we ban alcohol, tobacco, cars and force everyone to wear helmets? All of these things that you mentioned are regulated, some more strictly than others. "ban or permit freely" attitude to them is black-or-white, fallacious thinking. None of what you wrote is on topic or refutes anything that I said above.
    - t0bia_s 4y ago
      Actually it does. If we apply mandatory practices in favor of our health, why don't we absolutely abandon things that clearly damage our health? Where are you from?
      - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
        > Actually it does. What does what? Be specific. > why don't we absolutely abandon things that clearly damage our health? I expect that at least tobacco, will in the long run be permanently abandoned. But how is that relevant? > Where are you from? Why do you ask? I'm not in the habit of supplying PII to antagonistic randos in the internet.
        t0bia_s 4y ago
        Is it relevant in reasons of excessive deaths. Even in much higher numbers than covid has. I'm not asking for your adress, just country. To connect history and politics with your statement.
        SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
        > I'm not asking for your adress, just country. Yet you asked a very different question, where are you _from_. > To connect history and politics with your statement Ah yes, the old "You're mired in your specific history, but I'm objective" nonsense. GTFO.

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago

> there is a difference between asking someone to reduce their social interaction and forcing them Is there a difference? In what sense? What distinction is a virus going to make? A virus doesn't see that difference in motivation, it just sees warm cells. What difference would this distinction make to the epidemiology and public health? None. If you're going to argue the ethical "personal freedom" sense only, then like with smoking in public and my personal freedom to not inhale second-hand smoke, you're going to have to take into account the ethical dimension of saving lives and not transmitting disease to innocent bystanders. In both cases we breath the same air. A "personal freedom only" approach to public heath when we breath the same air is, and always will be, laughably unworkable: it's simply a category error, the wrong tool. If the COVID pandemic hasn't made that clear then I don't know what will.

t0bia_s 4y ago
So... Should we ban alcohol, tobacco, cars and force everyone to wear helmets? Sometimes is just better to not pretend that we are immortal. We forget how to live under the hood of fear from death.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
  > So... Should we ban alcohol, tobacco, cars and force everyone to wear helmets? All of these things that you mentioned are regulated, some more strictly than others. "ban or permit freely" attitude to them is black-or-white, fallacious thinking. None of what you wrote is on topic or refutes anything that I said above.
  - t0bia_s 4y ago
    Actually it does. If we apply mandatory practices in favor of our health, why don't we absolutely abandon things that clearly damage our health? Where are you from?
    - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
      > Actually it does. What does what? Be specific. > why don't we absolutely abandon things that clearly damage our health? I expect that at least tobacco, will in the long run be permanently abandoned. But how is that relevant? > Where are you from? Why do you ask? I'm not in the habit of supplying PII to antagonistic randos in the internet.
      - t0bia_s 4y ago
        Is it relevant in reasons of excessive deaths. Even in much higher numbers than covid has. I'm not asking for your adress, just country. To connect history and politics with your statement.
        SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
        > I'm not asking for your adress, just country. Yet you asked a very different question, where are you _from_. > To connect history and politics with your statement Ah yes, the old "You're mired in your specific history, but I'm objective" nonsense. GTFO.