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That's talking about article submissions, not comments. Couldn't read the PDF because the link is broken. More than 95% of the time I see a flagged account on

That's talking about article submissions, not comments. Couldn't read the PDF because the link is broken. More than 95% of the time I see a flagged account on HN, they post complete garbage that leads to more flaming replies if not removed promptly. HN has a very limited set of moderators, like one or two, who cannot police every comment 24/7. >Discourse doesn't secretly remove content and is popular. Popular where? In corporate and niche business use cases? What are some public Discourses that allow everyone to post?

rhaksw 4y ago
> That's talking about article submissions, not comments Shadow moderation was implemented without doing any research. I agree it's about time more studies are done on all types of content and all platforms in order to assess whether or not this functionality furthers the platforms' goals. > Couldn't read the PDF because the link is broken Good call. Blog post summarizing [1] and pdf [2] > Popular where? In corporate and niche business use cases? What are some public Discourses that allow everyone to post? All of them that don't use the ShadowBan add-on, I guess. Indeed shadow moderation appears to have made platforms more popular. I won't disagree there. But I also think it's clear it has contributed to echo chambers and increased isolation and tribality. I think we're reaching a point where the public wants to know what's going on in social media. Its harmful nature is not just driven by preference-driven news feeds, which we already know can be toxic, it's also driven by shadow moderation. That's the other shoe that may be dropping here. [1] https://medium.com/acm-cscw/does-transparency-in-moderation-really-matter-b86bab9b4810 https://medium.com/acm-cscw/does-transparency-in-moderation-... [2] https://shagunjhaver.com/research/articles/jhaver-2019-transparency/jhaver-2019-transparency.pdf https://shagunjhaver.com/research/articles/jhaver-2019-trans...
- KurvaKing 4y ago
anigbrowl 4y ago
https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3359252 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3359252 You could have just use the menu to find it, it only took a few seconds. There's a preprint available there if you need it. https://shagunjhaver.com/research/ https://shagunjhaver.com/research/

rhaksw 4y ago

> That's talking about article submissions, not comments Shadow moderation was implemented without doing any research. I agree it's about time more studies are done on all types of content and all platforms in order to assess whether or not this functionality furthers the platforms' goals. > Couldn't read the PDF because the link is broken Good call. Blog post summarizing [1] and pdf [2] > Popular where? In corporate and niche business use cases? What are some public Discourses that allow everyone to post? All of them that don't use the ShadowBan add-on, I guess. Indeed shadow moderation appears to have made platforms more popular. I won't disagree there. But I also think it's clear it has contributed to echo chambers and increased isolation and tribality. I think we're reaching a point where the public wants to know what's going on in social media. Its harmful nature is not just driven by preference-driven news feeds, which we already know can be toxic, it's also driven by shadow moderation. That's the other shoe that may be dropping here. [1] https://medium.com/acm-cscw/does-transparency-in-moderation-really-matter-b86bab9b4810 https://medium.com/acm-cscw/does-transparency-in-moderation-... [2] https://shagunjhaver.com/research/articles/jhaver-2019-transparency/jhaver-2019-transparency.pdf https://shagunjhaver.com/research/articles/jhaver-2019-trans...

KurvaKing 4y ago

anigbrowl 4y ago

https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3359252 https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3359252 You could have just use the menu to find it, it only took a few seconds. There's a preprint available there if you need it. https://shagunjhaver.com/research/ https://shagunjhaver.com/research/