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Incident affecting Google Ad Manager
- nvr219 4y agoI can't load this link thanks to pihole :smug:
- michaelgiba 4y agoWonder what the $ loss per second is…
- World177 4y agoFrom their recent 10Q for investors, they list a revenue of $7.8 billion for "Google Network" in revenue for the preceding 3 months before September 30, 2022 [1] There are 90 days in 3 months, so their revenue for a day is approximately $7.8 billion / 90 days = ~$87 million/day $87 million / 24 hours = ~$3.64 million/hour $3.64 million / 60 minutes = ~$60,740 thousand/minute $60,740 thousand / 60 seconds = ~$1,012/second And, depending on their agreements with their advertising partners, they might be liable for some of the profits lost by their partners. [1] https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf/20221025_alphabet_10Q.pdf https://abc.xyz/investor/static/pdf/20221025_alphabet_10Q.pd... edit: It was initially using the wrong row, it should be correct now.
- jsnell 4y agoI don't think that's the right number to look at, given search ads aren't down. You probably want just the "Google Network" line item, which is about 1/6th of that number.
- World177 4y agoYou are correct, I just misread it. edit: It should be fixed now.
- celestialcheese 4y agoExactly. Although this is likely one of the biggest days of the year for display and video advertising, so it'll be likely more than 1/6 of $25m/hr.
- celestialcheese 4y agoIt doesn't look like it's affecting their search ads (or if it is, it's not fully down for them), so not the full advertising revenue of GOOG. But it's still likely tens of millions per hour.
- celestialcheese 4y agoSeeing these big sites with no ads is strange. CNN, NYPost, etc. This is going to be wildly expensive for Google. Anyone internal know what's going on? We started seeing GAM not returning responses about an hour ago, yet their status page and accounts were silent till 10 minutes ago.
- koolba 4y agoDoes this mean every page is loading faster? Or do they just hang halfway trying to load ads?
- bee_rider 4y agoShould be faster I think. Pihole just refuses to resolve ads servers and generally improves performance, right?
- kevingadd 4y agoIf the ad server is instead taking a long time to respond, it'll probably make pages load slower.
- Waterluvian 4y agoOnly very very poorly built websites. So all the news sites.
- bee_rider 4y agoThere are definitely a thousand people here more qualified on this stuff (I write Fortran lol) but I thought JavaScript was all asynchronous now? Shouldn’t the actually desired content load independently of the ads?
- mooooooooooooo 4y agoFortran is cool, what do you work on?
- rossdavidh 4y agoI trust that payola pre-written content is still going up as usual, though.
- Something1234 4y agoWhat’s payola?
- jfoutz 4y agoback when radio stations played records, record companies would pay DJ's to play specific songs or albums [1]. I was a scandal at the time. It's almost quaint now. 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola
- rossdavidh 4y agoTechnically still illegal (IANAL), since advertising is supposed to be labeled as such. But widespread.
- INGSOCIALITE 4y agothank god
- Beaver117 4y agoGood, keep it that way forever
- riku_iki 4y agowould you pay subscriptions instead?..
- yazzku 4y agoAds are an enabler of bad products. If things required a subscription, half the shit on the Internet would be gone and for good reason. Also, often you get ads anyway regardless of the subscription. This is a false dichotomy.
- Beaver117 4y agoNo, and I also use an adblocker
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- kingforaday 4y agoInteresting question. I probably would not, which might mean I would spend less time on the internet reading useless stuff and more time outside on my mountain bike.
- cirrus3 4y agoThere can be subscriptions and mountain bike riding at the same time you know.
- codalan 4y agoI do, and in some cases, I still get ads.
- salawat 4y agoWould you offer the option to?
- zoklet-enjoyer 4y agoBeautiful
- zoklet-enjoyer 4y agoMindGeek ads are still working. Shows why it's important to diversify your ad delivery
- ckdarby 4y agoThey had outages far more than Google ads outages. They would love to use Google if it wasn't against the TOS and nobody wanting to deal with them because ethical and morals clauses. Source: Worked there in the past
- im_down_w_otp 4y ago...and it was at that moment that riotous celebration among all mankind swept the globe in unanimous rejoice.
- MerelyMortal 4y agoIn unrelated news, productivity around the globe went up 5%.
- mancerayder 4y ago... A record amount of text content in the form of articles were read in their entirety without mind-flicking distractions.
- xattt 4y agoRelevant Onion article: https://www.theonion.com/the-economist-to-halt-production-for-month-to-let-reade-1819572565 https://www.theonion.com/the-economist-to-halt-production-fo...
- dontforgetabout 4y agoAttention spans got a boost.
- bee_rider 4y agoIs the link to a description of the problem, or it is just an example of a dead page? (Not sure if I’m getting a dead page because of their issue or because my ad blocker blocked it, haha).
- mc32 4y agoI'd like to see some normalized numbers to see how the absence of ads affected sales, neg, pos or neutral.
- conqrr 4y agoWorld becoming a better place momentarily
- jsemrau 4y agoDidn't even notice. Ad blockers work?
- britneybitch 4y agoI took one for the team and disabled my adblocker so I could get a screenshot of the page. https://i.imgur.com/9n7HuLu.png https://i.imgur.com/9n7HuLu.png
- cactusplant7374 4y agoI can view that page without turning off ad blocking on Brave. Btw, I like your username.
- britneybitch 4y agoThanks <3
- britneybitch 4y ago"Ad serving has now been restored for the affected users." https://i.imgur.com/rnRiF6Z.png https://i.imgur.com/rnRiF6Z.png
- akomtu 4y agoHow do I get to pull the actual image from the poisonous pile of garbage called imgur? It runs JS from 16 domains.
- TeMPOraL 4y agoUse a PC. On mobile it's hopeless - on top of garbage scripts that sometimes lock up even a recent flagship phone, the service does aggressive lossy compression that's hard to work around. If someone uploads an image (whether PNG or JPG, doesn't matter) that has small details like text, forget about discerning them from the blurry mess imgur sends your way.
- tpxl 4y agoFor single images, imgur will redirect from /<id>.png to /<id> which requires the ton of javascript (you see a message about javascript required to run). Just re-add the extension to the end of the url and you'll access the image directly. This trick doesn't work for albums.
- candiddevmike 4y agoInterested to hear how many "hands on deck" this gets vs a Google Cloud or Google Workspace outage. Don't fuck with the money!
- stingraycharles 4y agoI like to think that at a certain point, more “hands” doesn’t help solve the issue faster (maybe even counter productive), so that in both circumstances the outages get the same amount of hands — the maximum.
- hacym 4y agoDoes GCP not make Google money?
- leoh 4y agoYou wouldn’t think so based on the quality of their support team
- coder543 4y agoNo. GCP consistently loses money. One of many sources: https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/27/alphabet_q2_2022/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/27/alphabet_q2_2022/ > Google Cloud brought in $6.3 billion of revenue, a 35 percent year on year increase compared to Q2 2021’s $4.6 billion revenue. But the $858 million loss was 45 percent higher than the $591 million deficit recorded last year. You might ask: "how is that possible, with those same margin-intensive prices that AWS and Azure use?" I have no clue. It makes no sense, given the prices they charge.
- sidibe 4y agoWhat is or isn't cloud is different at every company on top line but especially bottom line. For example how far down the stack are engineers still considered cloud when they are supporting both cloud and internal products? Investors are fine losing money on growing cloud and also love to see ad margins up? Then everyone is cloud.
- quickthrower2 4y agoFinally iOS safari adblocker!
- falcolas 4y agoMight I recommend Firefox Focus for Safari ad blocking?
- piskerpan 4y agoYou’re joking but adblocking has been available on Safari iOS for several years
- quickthrower2 4y agoI didn't know! Mainly because I just got in a habit of avoiding the crappy ad-ridden sites when on mobile.
- Terretta 4y agoIf you'd like to keep enjoying the ad-free experience: 1Blocker: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/1blocker-ad-blocker/id1365531024 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/1blocker-ad-blocker/id13655310... AdGuard Pro: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/adguard-pro-adblock-privacy/id1126386264 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/adguard-pro-adblock-privacy/id... Or, for something different, Orion Browser by Kagi runs Chrome or Firefox extensions: https://browser.kagi.com/ https://browser.kagi.com/
- godels_theorem 4y ago
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 4y agoAnd the internet kept on working. In fact, better, faster than before.
- charcircuit 4y agoYou are ignoring the concept of debt. Everything doesn't immediately implode. Especially for a temporary outage.
- weird-eye-issue 4y agoDon't take for granted how many ad supported sites and services you use :) I have a website with several writers that serves almost half a million monthly pageviews and we are entirely ad supported. The only reason my writers have jobs and we are able to provide the recipes and information that we provide is because of ads.
- zelphirkalt 4y agoSo many viewers, why not start asking for voluntary donations? You could dial back ads, and thereby tracking, to the same degree you receive donations. Over time see how far it goes.
- weird-eye-issue 4y agoThis is naive. People simply don't donate, it doesn't work. It just doesn't
- zelphirkalt 4y agoThis is naive. If you don't try, you never know for sure : ) But that easy retort aside, there are many creators, who live off of donations. And as a matter of fact, it also cannot be correct, because I count myself as "people" too and donated to several projects/creators.
- weird-eye-issue 4y ago
- xyst 4y agoThis is one of those good outages
- ric2z 4y agoGood
- micromacrofoot 4y agoan outage? or perhaps a dream…
- freediver 4y agoGoogle is A/B testing impact of switching to their new business model which will be paid search+AI ;)
- more_corn 4y agoI wish
- mpsprd 4y agoCrazy to see websites load this fast without ad-block. This event must be eye-opening for non tech-people...
- TheBrokenRail 4y agoIt's always weird when something like part of Google goes down. I just don't expect it because of how massive Google is and how much money they put into their site running reliably. I guess it's interesting to be reminded that Google can go down just like any other website, it's just a really big one.
- throwaway82388 4y agoA few weeks ago, no one would have predicted a major Google service going down before Twitter.
- more_corn 4y agoOuch. You got me. I’d have bet hard against this.
- zinekeller 4y agoI, for one, are caught red-handed on this. It is so weird that Google's money-maker has been down, especially that I never have remembered when was the last time it was down (maybe practically never?)
- xyst 4y agoGoogle laid off the one guy that was keeping this application stack running
- jamesfinlayson 4y agoIt's a nice reminder that even the big players can make mistakes.
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- yazzku 4y agoBurn it before it lays more eggs.
- chasd00 4y agoHaha go search and view a recipe. There’s no ads! It’s glorious
- culi 4y agoDoesn't immediately solve the problem of all the SEO spam that exists out there. But in the long term it could. I guess that's what it'd take to make google search good again. For google to die...
- jonchurch_ 4y agoThis page is blocked by archive.org, so we cannot record the url there. I think this would be an interesting page to allow archives of.
- propogandist 4y agoGoogle does not want anyone remembering their service can go down. Traditional “tech news” sites won’t cover this either, as it’ll bring attention to the ads that power their properties and may inadvertently encourage people to get ad-block, if they call out the presence of ads. Either way, Google’s PR team will be cranking out some distractions shortly.
- eointierney 4y agoIs this a party?
- nycdatasci 4y agoI still see ads when using google search. What’s the exact scope of this issue?
- dwighttk 4y agoand nothing of value was lost
- dangoldin 4y agoFrom their page it's not even a "Service outage" but instead a "Service disruption." Wonder what an outage would look like.
- 14 4y agoIt would be neat to see how much data usage dropped globally because of this.
- mizzao 4y agoIf you want this to persist, you can always use ChatGPT. ...until someone figures out how to embed ads into LLM responses, then that'll be the Google-killer.
- TeMPOraL 4y agoUnfortunately, this has already been figured out. ChatGPT is no worse at this than average YouTuber. See https://imgur.com/a/8EIEGL7 https://imgur.com/a/8EIEGL7, via https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/zdjowg/i_had_the_worst_idea_on_how_to_monetize_chatgpt/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/zdjowg/i_had_the_w....
- muppetman 4y agoWould love to know why the title of this story was re-written to majorly soften it (it was the number 1 story when published as Google Ads are down worldwide)
- zinekeller 4y ago"Ad Manager is not delivering ads for affected users" is definitely a reasonable title, I am also curious on why it was changed into a vaguer title (which is very likely a mod edit).
- muppetman 4y agoIt's a reasonable title, but it downplays the significance of the issue that the original title conveyed.
- celestialcheese 4y agoIt was a mod edit. Google is soft-balling the impact of this, and I think the watered down title doesn't do it justice. Google's ad server is behind nearly 90% of all ads served outside of the walled gardens, and the ad server has been down now for 3 hours. But because the ad server is a part of GAM, and their UI and reporting are still up, they can call it a partial outage.
- nycdatasci 4y ago“Ads down worldwide” was and is not accurate. The currently disclosed scope of this issue is Ad manager clients, which tend to be large publishers with significant direct ad sales. Google search is still showing me ads.
- zinekeller 4y agoI'm not sure where to divide the line. All Google properties still have ads on them, but despite using a vanilla Chrome I cannot get ads* outside of Google, so it is indeed larger than just large sites. * Okay, I can get Taboola and Outbrain ads, is this counted for this discussion? Edit: "Ad serving has now been restored for the affected users." (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33917305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33917305)
- culi 4y agoI wonder how much CO2 emissions have been saved from 24 hours of the internet without ads
- dangoldin 4y agoBack up as of 10:29PM ET.
- not_kurt_godel 4y agoIt always amazes me being reminded that the majority (vast majority? _overwhelming_ majority?) of Internet users do not have ad-blocking. Bless their hearts for subsidizing so many sites for those of us who prefer not to live in a real-life manifestation of Idiocracy.