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Is this meant to be a snooty response to troll for a reply instead of an actual engagement based on your non elaborated assertions?

by fein 4y ago

archagon 4y ago
> experimental mRNA vaccines may be fairly novel, but the technology is not new. And there are other, more conventional COVID vaccines out there. > rushed How can this argument be made today? The Emergency Use Authorization no longer applies to mRNA vaccines: they're fully approved, and billions of people have been vaccinated. > bullshit And this is just offensive, given the efficacy of COVID vaccines with regard to preventing death and serious illness. Big pharma may be greedy, but they've also saved millions of lives during this pandemic. > Is this meant to be a snooty response to troll for a reply instead of an actual engagement based on your non elaborated assertions? Yes, because arguing on forums and social media is completely pointless. If you ever win a debate with someone, they will simply vanish from the discussion instead of copping to it, and someone new will take their place. Besides, everyone knows all the arguments already. Reciting them just feels like a ritual at this point. (One that I still feel like observing, alas, because people who blithely dismiss COVID vaccines really piss me off. I hope that the actual human beings that you talk to face to face with don't really believe that COVID vaccines are "bullshit," regardless of whether they choose to get vaccinated or not.)
- eastbound 4y ago
  > > rushed > How can this argument be made today? The Emergency Use Authorization no longer applies to mRNA vaccines: they're fully approved Ok so let’s remove the responsibility exemption from pharma contracts, right? Oh you have an excuse not to do it? It’s the only drug in history that has this exemption. I trust new things with care, people have a habit of lowballing the side-effects. Many people don’t trust GMO for that reason. I don’t trust a vax that is less than 2 years old, made while governments imposed a defense-confidential seal on the entire process. Governments have admitted to lie to control populations during the last 2 years. You want trust? Levy the 70-year secret on the way my govt managed Covid, I want to know whether the press was mandated to publish propaganda, and I want to know whether doctors are under duress. The weekly minister meetings have been public since 1945 in France, except for Covid: Levy that. If you have nothing to lie, you have nothing to hide. This operation displays absolutely no sign of trust on any aspect. I DON’T say that the vaccine isn’t safe. I just say that you aren’t offering trustworthiness guarantees around it. It’s a leap of faith, and I won’t take this leap of faith for the camp that was repeatedly mistaken during the last 2 years.
- fein 4y ago
  The bottom line is that trust in these institutions is gone not as a result of the media and fearmongering, but the actual controversies, behaviors, and profit motives of these institutions. As a result, people don't trust the powers that be telling them to get vaxxed or they will die/ lose their job/ be treated as a second class citizen/ be jailed/ etc. These are the things that make people rebel, not fall in line.

Is this meant to be a snooty response to troll for a reply instead of an actual engagement based on your non elaborated assertions?

by fein 4y ago

Is this meant to be a snooty response to troll for a reply instead of an actual engagement based on your non elaborated assertions?

archagon 4y ago

> experimental mRNA vaccines may be fairly novel, but the technology is not new. And there are other, more conventional COVID vaccines out there. > rushed How can this argument be made today? The Emergency Use Authorization no longer applies to mRNA vaccines: they're fully approved, and billions of people have been vaccinated. > bullshit And this is just offensive, given the efficacy of COVID vaccines with regard to preventing death and serious illness. Big pharma may be greedy, but they've also saved millions of lives during this pandemic. > Is this meant to be a snooty response to troll for a reply instead of an actual engagement based on your non elaborated assertions? Yes, because arguing on forums and social media is completely pointless. If you ever win a debate with someone, they will simply vanish from the discussion instead of copping to it, and someone new will take their place. Besides, everyone knows all the arguments already. Reciting them just feels like a ritual at this point. (One that I still feel like observing, alas, because people who blithely dismiss COVID vaccines really piss me off. I hope that the actual human beings that you talk to face to face with don't really believe that COVID vaccines are "bullshit," regardless of whether they choose to get vaccinated or not.)

eastbound 4y ago
> > rushed > How can this argument be made today? The Emergency Use Authorization no longer applies to mRNA vaccines: they're fully approved Ok so let’s remove the responsibility exemption from pharma contracts, right? Oh you have an excuse not to do it? It’s the only drug in history that has this exemption. I trust new things with care, people have a habit of lowballing the side-effects. Many people don’t trust GMO for that reason. I don’t trust a vax that is less than 2 years old, made while governments imposed a defense-confidential seal on the entire process. Governments have admitted to lie to control populations during the last 2 years. You want trust? Levy the 70-year secret on the way my govt managed Covid, I want to know whether the press was mandated to publish propaganda, and I want to know whether doctors are under duress. The weekly minister meetings have been public since 1945 in France, except for Covid: Levy that. If you have nothing to lie, you have nothing to hide. This operation displays absolutely no sign of trust on any aspect. I DON’T say that the vaccine isn’t safe. I just say that you aren’t offering trustworthiness guarantees around it. It’s a leap of faith, and I won’t take this leap of faith for the camp that was repeatedly mistaken during the last 2 years.
fein 4y ago
The bottom line is that trust in these institutions is gone not as a result of the media and fearmongering, but the actual controversies, behaviors, and profit motives of these institutions. As a result, people don't trust the powers that be telling them to get vaxxed or they will die/ lose their job/ be treated as a second class citizen/ be jailed/ etc. These are the things that make people rebel, not fall in line.