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While talking about asbestos ... not enough people know they are are consuming food everyday that's classified by WHO as class 1 carcinogen (in the same group a

by myshpa 4y ago

While talking about asbestos ... not enough people know they are are consuming food everyday that's classified by WHO as class 1 carcinogen (in the same group as asbestos and smoking), causing not only cancers of the stomach, bowels and prostate, but also contributing to other chronic illnesses like hypertension, heart disease, diabetes, copd ... It's processed meat (bacon, ham, sausages, salami, corned beef, jerky, hot dogs, lunch meat, canned meat, chicken nuggets, and meat-based sauces) and (in the 2a category) red meat (beef, horse meat, mutton, venison, boar, hare, game). https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/can... https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/why-processed-meat-is-bad https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/why-processed-meat-is-b... https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1197F/production/_86336027_cancerous_meat_624.png https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1197F/production...

jalk 4y ago
But please remeber that (from your first link): Processed meat was classified as carcinogenic to humans(Group 1). Tobacco smoking and asbestos are also both classified as carcinogenic to humans(Group 1). Does it mean that consumption of processed meat is as carcinogenic as tobacco smoking and asbestos? No, processed meat has been classified in the same category as causes of cancer such as tobacco smoking and asbestos (IARC Group 1, carcinogenic to humans), but this does NOT mean that they are all equally dangerous. The IARC classifications describe the strength of the scientific evidence about an agent being a cause of cancer, rather than assessing the level of risk.
thayne 4y ago
From your first link: > processed meat has been classified in the same category as causes of cancer such as tobacco smoking and asbestos (IARC Group 1, carcinogenic to humans), but this does NOT mean that they are all equally dangerous. The IARC classifications describe the strength of the scientific evidence about an agent being a cause of cancer, rather than assessing the level of risk.
antiterra 4y ago
The first link you provided makes it clear that the ‘class’ is about evidence and not severity, so “in the same group” doesn’t really communicate anything meaningful. Second, sneaking in class 2a into the list you describe as class 1 is misleading, though possibly unintentionally so. Further, pretty much anything cooked, such as bread, has a class 2a probable carcinogen called acrylimide. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/116/4/846/6687739 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/116/4/846/6687739 There may be great arguments for avoiding red meat in its entirety, but your framing doesn’t provide them.
at-w 4y ago
This is misleading in the same way as saying "marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug, the same group as heroin!" Class 1 just means it is a known carcinogen in humans, and says nothing about the degree to which it is carcinogenic, what cancers it is connected to, how that varies by intake or population, or much else. Sunlight, salted fish, charred foods, and just about any food packaged or prepared in plastic are all also known carcinogens. Any of those may well be very dangerous, but saying they're "in the same group" means almost nothing.
defrost 4y ago
> On the other hand, meat that has been frozen or undergone mechanical processing like cutting and slicing is still considered unprocessed. and > Cooking at high temperatures or with the food in direct contact with a flame or a hot surface, as in barbecuing or pan-frying, produces more of certain types of carcinogenic chemicals suggests that slow cooked cassorole and stews from meat directly killed straight off the farm (ie. what we here where I am mainly eat) is fine.

by myshpa 4y ago

jalk 4y ago

But please remeber that (from your first link): Processed meat was classified as carcinogenic to humans(Group 1). Tobacco smoking and asbestos are also both classified as carcinogenic to humans(Group 1). Does it mean that consumption of processed meat is as carcinogenic as tobacco smoking and asbestos? No, processed meat has been classified in the same category as causes of cancer such as tobacco smoking and asbestos (IARC Group 1, carcinogenic to humans), but this does NOT mean that they are all equally dangerous. The IARC classifications describe the strength of the scientific evidence about an agent being a cause of cancer, rather than assessing the level of risk.

thayne 4y ago

From your first link: > processed meat has been classified in the same category as causes of cancer such as tobacco smoking and asbestos (IARC Group 1, carcinogenic to humans), but this does NOT mean that they are all equally dangerous. The IARC classifications describe the strength of the scientific evidence about an agent being a cause of cancer, rather than assessing the level of risk.

antiterra 4y ago

The first link you provided makes it clear that the ‘class’ is about evidence and not severity, so “in the same group” doesn’t really communicate anything meaningful. Second, sneaking in class 2a into the list you describe as class 1 is misleading, though possibly unintentionally so. Further, pretty much anything cooked, such as bread, has a class 2a probable carcinogen called acrylimide. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/116/4/846/6687739 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/116/4/846/6687739 There may be great arguments for avoiding red meat in its entirety, but your framing doesn’t provide them.

at-w 4y ago

This is misleading in the same way as saying "marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug, the same group as heroin!" Class 1 just means it is a known carcinogen in humans, and says nothing about the degree to which it is carcinogenic, what cancers it is connected to, how that varies by intake or population, or much else. Sunlight, salted fish, charred foods, and just about any food packaged or prepared in plastic are all also known carcinogens. Any of those may well be very dangerous, but saying they're "in the same group" means almost nothing.

defrost 4y ago

> On the other hand, meat that has been frozen or undergone mechanical processing like cutting and slicing is still considered unprocessed. and > Cooking at high temperatures or with the food in direct contact with a flame or a hot surface, as in barbecuing or pan-frying, produces more of certain types of carcinogenic chemicals suggests that slow cooked cassorole and stews from meat directly killed straight off the farm (ie. what we here where I am mainly eat) is fine.