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The rust community can tend towards smugness. And the evangelism on social media can be a bit much. But I am indebted to quite a few people on the rust discord

The rust community can tend towards smugness. And the evangelism on social media can be a bit much. But I am indebted to quite a few people on the rust discord (or one of the rust discords), who have been kind enough to share their knowledge with me. Nothing but nice things to say about them. I guess at this point if you dont like one rust community, find another. Theres enough of them now.

Arnavion 4y ago
The zealots are always the loudest members of the communities. With Rust it's the "safety" zealots. With golang it's the "simplicity" zealots. With C++ it's the "old is gold" zealots. And so on. Just ignore the communities. Judge the languages on what they do for you.
- FpUser 4y ago
  I am not a zealot as I do not really "love" any language. I have used many languages and my "love" changes depending on the nature of the project / task within the project or sometimes client insists on particular one. Language to me is a tool like a screwdriver and while I do have personal preferences as long as the language is not atrociously bad / not suitable for the task I do not really care. I am kind of in the "old is gold" camp but not because I do not want to learn new language (I actually do) but because this language needs to offer significant benefits. If I am to use Rust it would be for writing enterprise backends as this is what I use this type of language for at the moment. Currently I am using C++ for this. When I look at using Rust for the same purpose I see less expressive language with less ecosystem comparatively to C++ and need to dance under fresh moon while sacrificing virgin to accomplish some simple things. All for the benefit of memory safety without loosing performance. Current project is already 3 years old and I've yet to discover any safety related issues in it (leak, range error, use after free etc.). Modern C++ in my opinion provides enough scaffolding to write reasonably safe programs on the language / library level and with things like address sanitizers. So switching to Rust would not really give me any ROI on investment. If client wants it in Rust and pays for it then sure. Otherwise I have more interesting things to learn. I am being paid for designing and implementing products, not for being expert in particular language.
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Arnavion 4y ago

The zealots are always the loudest members of the communities. With Rust it's the "safety" zealots. With golang it's the "simplicity" zealots. With C++ it's the "old is gold" zealots. And so on. Just ignore the communities. Judge the languages on what they do for you.

FpUser 4y ago
I am not a zealot as I do not really "love" any language. I have used many languages and my "love" changes depending on the nature of the project / task within the project or sometimes client insists on particular one. Language to me is a tool like a screwdriver and while I do have personal preferences as long as the language is not atrociously bad / not suitable for the task I do not really care. I am kind of in the "old is gold" camp but not because I do not want to learn new language (I actually do) but because this language needs to offer significant benefits. If I am to use Rust it would be for writing enterprise backends as this is what I use this type of language for at the moment. Currently I am using C++ for this. When I look at using Rust for the same purpose I see less expressive language with less ecosystem comparatively to C++ and need to dance under fresh moon while sacrificing virgin to accomplish some simple things. All for the benefit of memory safety without loosing performance. Current project is already 3 years old and I've yet to discover any safety related issues in it (leak, range error, use after free etc.). Modern C++ in my opinion provides enough scaffolding to write reasonably safe programs on the language / library level and with things like address sanitizers. So switching to Rust would not really give me any ROI on investment. If client wants it in Rust and pays for it then sure. Otherwise I have more interesting things to learn. I am being paid for designing and implementing products, not for being expert in particular language.

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