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I'm in Canada, near Vancouver. It's mostly back to normal now, but for a long time: * couldn't visit restaurants * couldn't fly/take a train/take a ferry Sti

I'm in Canada, near Vancouver. It's mostly back to normal now, but for a long time: * couldn't visit restaurants * couldn't fly/take a train/take a ferry Still can't: * Visit my grandparents at their retirement home * Visit the USA The general opinion as that you should be vaccinated, but it mostly doesn't come up now. The government is currently passing legislation so they can better mandate vaccination to medical professionals as well as suppress dissenting opinions by those professionals. Based on the words and actions of the federal government, i've definitely felt like a second class citizen.

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jiggawatts 4y ago
Most homes for the elderly here require flu vaccinations for all staff, and some even require flu vaccines for visitors. Why is that okay? New flu vaccines are developed annually because it’s a seasonal illness, which makes them just as “experimental” or “novel” as many COVID vaccines such as AstraZeneca that aren’t using mRNA technology. Why is suddenly everyone up in arms about something they were fine with before? When you can answer this honestly you’ll start to understand the problem.
- maxerickson 4y ago
  The AstraZenica and Johnson and Johnson vaccines both use a relatively novel delivery mechanism (a couple viral vector Ebola vaccines were approved in 2019-2020). The Novavax subunit vaccine is at least an older approach, but assembling the protein fragments onto a particle is a new thing.
- curmudgeon22 4y ago
  I can't comment to staff, but I've never seen a retirement home or similar that required any kind of vaccination for visitors. Not to say they don't exist, but certainly they weren't part of a normal lived experience here.
- adamiscool8 4y ago
  The rate of adverse events seen with the flu shots is a full order of magnitude lower than the COVID-19 vaccines. People are partially up in arms because there is a continued conflation of two very different safety profiles.
  - jiggawatts 4y ago
    The rate of adverse outcomes for COVID is several orders of magnitude higher than for the seasonal flu.
    - adamiscool8 4y ago
      Not in all age+health cohorts.

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jiggawatts 4y ago

Most homes for the elderly here require flu vaccinations for all staff, and some even require flu vaccines for visitors. Why is that okay? New flu vaccines are developed annually because it’s a seasonal illness, which makes them just as “experimental” or “novel” as many COVID vaccines such as AstraZeneca that aren’t using mRNA technology. Why is suddenly everyone up in arms about something they were fine with before? When you can answer this honestly you’ll start to understand the problem.

maxerickson 4y ago
The AstraZenica and Johnson and Johnson vaccines both use a relatively novel delivery mechanism (a couple viral vector Ebola vaccines were approved in 2019-2020). The Novavax subunit vaccine is at least an older approach, but assembling the protein fragments onto a particle is a new thing.
curmudgeon22 4y ago
I can't comment to staff, but I've never seen a retirement home or similar that required any kind of vaccination for visitors. Not to say they don't exist, but certainly they weren't part of a normal lived experience here.
adamiscool8 4y ago
The rate of adverse events seen with the flu shots is a full order of magnitude lower than the COVID-19 vaccines. People are partially up in arms because there is a continued conflation of two very different safety profiles.
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  The rate of adverse outcomes for COVID is several orders of magnitude higher than for the seasonal flu.
  - adamiscool8 4y ago
    Not in all age+health cohorts.