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What surprised me the most was just how vicious and cruel the people in my life could be towards the unvaccinated. It went beyond mere schadenfreude. Many of my

What surprised me the most was just how vicious and cruel the people in my life could be towards the unvaccinated. It went beyond mere schadenfreude. Many of my otherwise tolerant and empathetic friends eagerly ate up any and all news about anti-vaxxers suffering or even outright dying. I don't know how much of this was a result of them getting caught up in the social media bandwagon (Twitter, r/HermanCainAward) or because this was the most significant and close to home "us vs. them" situation in our lives up until this point.

hotpotamus 4y ago
- DeetrixDotter 4y ago
  - TOMDM 4y ago
    How many people have died to the vaccine vs how many people died to COVID who might have been saved by the vaccine? Look at the COVID death rates of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Can you bridge that gap with vaccine deaths?
    - TrevorJ 4y ago
      Death rate from Covid among the vaccinated definitely does paint a picture that the vaccine does help prevent Covid deaths, you are right. What troubles me is the VAERS data.
      - TOMDM 4y ago
        VAERS data is a fantastic place to look for early warning signs about what should be investigated. However given it's self reported nature, and the rampant conspiricism we see today, I think we should only see those VAERS reports as a signal of what to study, not what conclusions to draw. At this stage though, there are billion dollar incentives to prove those VAERS claims correct, and yet there are no studies to that effect. Competing biomed companies could seriously disrupt their competition by proving their vaccine has issues. Russia is looking for any reason to malign the US and it's partners. China and it's zero COVID policy would love to embarrass the US and it's partners over their COVID policy. And yet they don't jump to do so because they have no proof. There's every incentive, every mean to do so, and no data, no study. I can't prove a negative but in a world that has every mean and motive to prove the positive, it sure makes me wonder at the absence.
jiggawatts 4y ago
When someone gets in a horrific crash because the were driving 50 over the speed limit, do you feel sorry for them? Or do you say that they "got what they deserved" not just for being individually reckless, but also for selfishly putting other people on the roads in danger? Ask yourself: Before COVID, in 2019, if you saw an 18 year old's car wrapped around a tree on the news clearly due to excessive speeding, did you lament their predicament? Did you say "they had an individual right to drive as fast as they thought they could handle", or did you laugh and say that they got what they deserved? Be honest in your response.
- TrevorJ 4y ago
  Your example elides the fact that the vaccine situation was about risk-benefit analysis in many people's minds. A more appropriate example might be a situation where someone ran their car off the road because they perceived (possibly incorrectly) some danger that they were attempting to avoid.
  - anotherevan 4y ago
    And quite possibly ploughing into a crowd of pedestrians in the process.
    - taolegal 4y ago
      nah in this case all those pedestrians have an anti-car force field
      - anotherevan 4y ago
        At the risk of really straining the metaphor, one of the arguments is that not all the pedestrians are able to be fitted with those force fields. The force fields are also not 100% full-proof, although they can help reduce the impact.
        taolegal 4y ago

hotpotamus 4y ago

DeetrixDotter 4y ago
- TOMDM 4y ago
  How many people have died to the vaccine vs how many people died to COVID who might have been saved by the vaccine? Look at the COVID death rates of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Can you bridge that gap with vaccine deaths?
  - TrevorJ 4y ago
    Death rate from Covid among the vaccinated definitely does paint a picture that the vaccine does help prevent Covid deaths, you are right. What troubles me is the VAERS data.
    - TOMDM 4y ago
      VAERS data is a fantastic place to look for early warning signs about what should be investigated. However given it's self reported nature, and the rampant conspiricism we see today, I think we should only see those VAERS reports as a signal of what to study, not what conclusions to draw. At this stage though, there are billion dollar incentives to prove those VAERS claims correct, and yet there are no studies to that effect. Competing biomed companies could seriously disrupt their competition by proving their vaccine has issues. Russia is looking for any reason to malign the US and it's partners. China and it's zero COVID policy would love to embarrass the US and it's partners over their COVID policy. And yet they don't jump to do so because they have no proof. There's every incentive, every mean to do so, and no data, no study. I can't prove a negative but in a world that has every mean and motive to prove the positive, it sure makes me wonder at the absence.

jiggawatts 4y ago

When someone gets in a horrific crash because the were driving 50 over the speed limit, do you feel sorry for them? Or do you say that they "got what they deserved" not just for being individually reckless, but also for selfishly putting other people on the roads in danger? Ask yourself: Before COVID, in 2019, if you saw an 18 year old's car wrapped around a tree on the news clearly due to excessive speeding, did you lament their predicament? Did you say "they had an individual right to drive as fast as they thought they could handle", or did you laugh and say that they got what they deserved? Be honest in your response.

TrevorJ 4y ago
Your example elides the fact that the vaccine situation was about risk-benefit analysis in many people's minds. A more appropriate example might be a situation where someone ran their car off the road because they perceived (possibly incorrectly) some danger that they were attempting to avoid.
- anotherevan 4y ago
  And quite possibly ploughing into a crowd of pedestrians in the process.
  - taolegal 4y ago
    nah in this case all those pedestrians have an anti-car force field
    - anotherevan 4y ago
      At the risk of really straining the metaphor, one of the arguments is that not all the pedestrians are able to be fitted with those force fields. The force fields are also not 100% full-proof, although they can help reduce the impact.
      - taolegal 4y ago