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> a little mob came together to denounce the idea and say that he absolutely should never be allowed in public again. Emphasis on "little", I suppose? This sou

> a little mob came together to denounce the idea and say that he absolutely should never be allowed in public again. Emphasis on "little", I suppose? This sounds like a strawman. I don't think many would have argued that someone with a legitimate medical reason to not get vaccinated should be excluded from anything.

jeffbee 4y ago
How would it even come to be known? If I was allergic to a vaccine and someone asked me about my vaccines I would say "I have taken every vaccine I am able to" or something like that. Exclusion of the willingly unvaccinated is possible and widespread mainly because such people are surprisingly vocal and bring up the topic without prompting.
mike_hearn 4y ago
Very few argued that, but it's what happened. Recall that COVID unvaccinated non-citizens still may not enter the USA for any reason.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  False. Children, people traveling for emergencies, and anyone medically unable to take the vaccine may travel to the U.S. without it.
  - TrevorJ 4y ago
    It sounds good, but I can tell you from experience that getting the exception on medical grounds is quite difficult, even with pretty incontrovertible reasons. Doctors were very much pressured to not put their career on the line and would rather sweep you under the rug.
- poizan42 4y ago
  One of the exceptions from the vaccine requirement listed on https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html#noncitizen https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of... is: "Persons with documented medical contraindications to receiving a COVID-19 vaccine"
  - mike_hearn 4y ago
    I've never encountered anyone who was able to get a formal medical exemption even when their doctors told them not to take the second shot due to severe reaction, so in practice this condition doesn't mean anything.
- jltsiren 4y ago
  Have you tried to enter the US as a non-citizen recently? You have to complete an attestation form, with a long list of exceptions from the vaccination requirement. The things that get reported in the news are simplified, while the reality is complicated and messy.
TrevorJ 4y ago
>I don't think many would have argued that someone with a legitimate medical reason to not get vaccinated should be excluded from anything. That was not my experience at all. New York, notably had no medical exceptions for entering businesses, at least for a while. I live in another major city and had to take steps to figure out how the heck I was going to get food if the same policy came into place.

jeffbee 4y ago

How would it even come to be known? If I was allergic to a vaccine and someone asked me about my vaccines I would say "I have taken every vaccine I am able to" or something like that. Exclusion of the willingly unvaccinated is possible and widespread mainly because such people are surprisingly vocal and bring up the topic without prompting.

mike_hearn 4y ago

Very few argued that, but it's what happened. Recall that COVID unvaccinated non-citizens still may not enter the USA for any reason.

jeffbee 4y ago
False. Children, people traveling for emergencies, and anyone medically unable to take the vaccine may travel to the U.S. without it.
- TrevorJ 4y ago
  It sounds good, but I can tell you from experience that getting the exception on medical grounds is quite difficult, even with pretty incontrovertible reasons. Doctors were very much pressured to not put their career on the line and would rather sweep you under the rug.
poizan42 4y ago
One of the exceptions from the vaccine requirement listed on https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of-vaccination.html#noncitizen https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/proof-of... is: "Persons with documented medical contraindications to receiving a COVID-19 vaccine"
- mike_hearn 4y ago
  I've never encountered anyone who was able to get a formal medical exemption even when their doctors told them not to take the second shot due to severe reaction, so in practice this condition doesn't mean anything.
jltsiren 4y ago
Have you tried to enter the US as a non-citizen recently? You have to complete an attestation form, with a long list of exceptions from the vaccination requirement. The things that get reported in the news are simplified, while the reality is complicated and messy.

TrevorJ 4y ago

>I don't think many would have argued that someone with a legitimate medical reason to not get vaccinated should be excluded from anything. That was not my experience at all. New York, notably had no medical exceptions for entering businesses, at least for a while. I live in another major city and had to take steps to figure out how the heck I was going to get food if the same policy came into place.