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Ok but like, we don't let the unlicensed drive cars either because that is you know, dangerous to other humans. Some of the reactions you're describing are extr

Ok but like, we don't let the unlicensed drive cars either because that is you know, dangerous to other humans. Some of the reactions you're describing are extreme for sure, but the fundamental idea of refusing rights to people who don't care about the safety of others is sound and important to a working society.

andlarry 4y ago
Why would avoiding the covid vaccine mean someone doesn't care about the safety of others?
- ilyt 4y ago
  Coz majority of them did not get vaccine for ideological reason, not for actual medical reason (allergies/bad reactions to vaccine)
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  The fact that you even asked this question speaks volumes. Vaccines provide herd immunity. It’s not like bullet proof armour that only protects the wearer! We all need to get it for the population to be protected. You getting more sick because you’re unvaccinated means you spread it to others. Babies. The elderly. The immune compromised. And so on. What I don't understand is how it's possible to be two years into a pandemic, and people are still ignorant of this. Especially now that measles is spreading again because the vaccination rate has dropped below the herd immunity level.
  - andlarry 4y ago
    Ahh, ok. I was under the impression that the vaccines were to prevent a severe reaction in those at risk due to age or comorbidities, which is why some areas gave priority to the elderly. Are there places where herd immunity was achieved due to vaccination?
  - ls15 4y ago
    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/youre-waiting-herd-immunity-covid-19-time-move/story?id=84910302 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/youre-waiting-herd-immunity-co... > If you’re still waiting for herd immunity for COVID-19, it's time to move on: Experts > As scientists learn more about the virus, they say herd immunity won't work.
DeetrixDotter 4y ago
There's a big difference, legally and morally, between not granting a positive right (eg. a licence to drive cars) and violently denying negative rights (eg. meeting with family, being in public, peacefully seeking basic needs, speech). Acquiring a licence does not require an experimental gene therapy with alarming or unknown side effects. As the dust is settling and more is becoming known, will apologies be forthcoming? Can forgiveness ever be expected for the terrible and life-changing oppression imposed and encouraged over the last few years?
- slater 4y ago
  > As the dust is settling and more is becoming known, will apologies be forthcoming? I don't think the "i read something on facebook, vaccines=bad!! also, furthermore..." folks are the type that would offer apologies, I'm afraid.
  - DeetrixDotter 4y ago
- adamrezich 4y ago
  no apologies are coming. there will not be a day where everyone wakes up and realizes the terrifying scope of what has happened. people will take their learned hate to the grave. these wounds won't heal for at least a couple of generations, possibly more, and even then, only at the societal level, not that of the individual.

andlarry 4y ago

Why would avoiding the covid vaccine mean someone doesn't care about the safety of others?

ilyt 4y ago
Coz majority of them did not get vaccine for ideological reason, not for actual medical reason (allergies/bad reactions to vaccine)
jiggawatts 4y ago
The fact that you even asked this question speaks volumes. Vaccines provide herd immunity. It’s not like bullet proof armour that only protects the wearer! We all need to get it for the population to be protected. You getting more sick because you’re unvaccinated means you spread it to others. Babies. The elderly. The immune compromised. And so on. What I don't understand is how it's possible to be two years into a pandemic, and people are still ignorant of this. Especially now that measles is spreading again because the vaccination rate has dropped below the herd immunity level.
- andlarry 4y ago
  Ahh, ok. I was under the impression that the vaccines were to prevent a severe reaction in those at risk due to age or comorbidities, which is why some areas gave priority to the elderly. Are there places where herd immunity was achieved due to vaccination?
- ls15 4y ago
  https://abcnews.go.com/Health/youre-waiting-herd-immunity-covid-19-time-move/story?id=84910302 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/youre-waiting-herd-immunity-co... > If you’re still waiting for herd immunity for COVID-19, it's time to move on: Experts > As scientists learn more about the virus, they say herd immunity won't work.

DeetrixDotter 4y ago

There's a big difference, legally and morally, between not granting a positive right (eg. a licence to drive cars) and violently denying negative rights (eg. meeting with family, being in public, peacefully seeking basic needs, speech). Acquiring a licence does not require an experimental gene therapy with alarming or unknown side effects. As the dust is settling and more is becoming known, will apologies be forthcoming? Can forgiveness ever be expected for the terrible and life-changing oppression imposed and encouraged over the last few years?

slater 4y ago
> As the dust is settling and more is becoming known, will apologies be forthcoming? I don't think the "i read something on facebook, vaccines=bad!! also, furthermore..." folks are the type that would offer apologies, I'm afraid.
- DeetrixDotter 4y ago
adamrezich 4y ago
no apologies are coming. there will not be a day where everyone wakes up and realizes the terrifying scope of what has happened. people will take their learned hate to the grave. these wounds won't heal for at least a couple of generations, possibly more, and even then, only at the societal level, not that of the individual.