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Ask HN: explain to me what piracy isn't
Right off the bat: I don't support SOPA, I think it is detestable on constitutional grounds and that its existence reflects irresponsibly uninformed and one-sided decision making on the part of congress.
That said, I need some clarity on the hacker side of things. I'm a new computer science student, I love startups, and did the "I'm gonna start this awesome startup with my friend even though neither of us is technical" thing back in high school (with typical failure to move past drafting tons of "Business Models"). That said, I like to be involved with the startup culture and work to understand how hackers think.
But what I just don't get, is why piracy does not equal theft. I just don't get it. I see tons and tons of people talking about why piracy isn't theft because the object is duplicated, so it isn't taken from the owner, but I don't fully see the flow in that. Musicians have always sold copies, but piracy is taking one without paying for it. The thing that the musician lost is their revenue, or the economic costs of production which they expect to make back. That seems like theft.
And the argument that we can't prevent duplication and that the music industry needs to expect it almost sounds lazy, and seems to neglects the music industry almost as much as SOPA neglects the rights of web sites. I think that I just don't understand what solution the idea of "piracy is a reality" poses. That flow never really sat well with me either.
Now I am not so brazen as to assume that I've got it right when a sizable community seems to believe otherwise, but I need this laid out, and I think that creating clear and understandable ideologies beyond "This is unforgivable let us do battle" can be a positive exercise for the HN community. So, somebody out there, anyone out there, please tell me why the status quo is ok, why piracy isn't theft, or why my conceptions are all backwards and wrong. I should lose all of my 22 karma within 10 minutes because my misconceptions are being laid out and taken to school. I just need this clarified so I can understand not just that the corporations and SOPA are the worst thing ever, but that we can do much better, and that there is a reasonably collective counter-ideology.
Now I've got my own ideas about what should be done and how the system could ultimately be repaired, but I didn't scream those at you, so keep the responses ideological please. And always honest.
If you want to do the most good, email me directly at dondg111@gmail.com. And If you want to do the second to most, include what you think the correct ideology pertaining to intellectual property ought to be in your comment.
- richieb 15y agoMusicians have not always sold copies of anything. Recordings that can be sold are a relatively new technology (20th century). Musicians and artists worked on commissions or got paid for their performances. In fact today very few musicians make much money from selling recordings (talk to any jazz musician about it). As far as lost revenue. When I drive a fuel efficient car that uses less gas, am I stealing? After all I am depriving the oil companies of revenues.
- benologist 15y agoPiracy is the future of course - musicians and performers and actors and writers etc are embracing a dying business model and should seek revenue elsewhere, either by selling tshirts or spending months on the road away from their friends and families performing live or by just accepting that 1% paying pennies online is better than 100% paying dollars. It's not theft because it's just 1s and 0s, not real work like what we do. The view from our comfy pedestals, safe in the knowledge that our web applications can't be effortlessly copied, is not at all flawed!
- BrandonMTurner 15y agoIf it is "just 1s and 0s", does this mean making desktop software is also 'not real work'? And thus, copying desktop software is also not problem just as copying music is not a problem. And programmers should go find a new way to make money that is not developing and selling desktop software?
- benologist 15y agoProgrammers already did - complete, mandatory binding to online services because your user account / subscription can't be distributed like the software.
- dustingetz 15y agohere's a start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#.22Theft.22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#.22Theft...
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