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Still too high imho. 49 Euros is not completely covered under the unemployment allowence by the state. The max for that is 45 Euros. Additionally, making the

Still too high imho. 49 Euros is not completely covered under the unemployment allowence by the state. The max for that is 45 Euros. Additionally, making the price 29 Euros would mean double the expected ticket sales and ultimately more money that could be used for upkeep and expansion.

nkmnz 4y ago
It's up to the Länder to pay more to lower the price. It's their constitutional right (and duty) to do so, if they see fit. If 16 Länder agree to not spend more on it... maybe they have good arguments as well?
iggldiggl 4y ago
> making the price 29 Euros would mean double the expected ticket sales Do you have any justification for that claim, or is that just pulling figures out of thin air? If reducing the price by less (!) than half would that clearly mean double (!) the sales we wouldn't have had the debate we had now – which partly apparently was because the original 3 billion headline figure was estimated based on a ticket price of 69 €, but then the oh-so-wise politicians thought that 49 € would be an even nicer figure. Only on closer calculation it turned out that the additional sales from that lower price very likely wouldn't offset the additional losses generated by all already existing customers paying even less.
- mschild 4y ago
  Based on calculations done by Greenpeace using data collected by several institutes on peoples willingness to pay for a public transport ticket. The press release [0] and actual report in pdf [1] [0] https://presseportal.greenpeace.de/219048-greenpeace-kalkulation-29-euro-ticket-kostet-staat-nicht-mehr-als-49-euro-ticket https://presseportal.greenpeace.de/219048-greenpeace-kalkula... [1] https://www.greenpeace.de/publikationen/Kalkulation_Klimaticket.pdf?utm_campaign=verkehr&utm_source=www.greenpeace.de&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=press-release&utm_term=klimaticket https://www.greenpeace.de/publikationen/Kalkulation_Klimatic...

nkmnz 4y ago

It's up to the Länder to pay more to lower the price. It's their constitutional right (and duty) to do so, if they see fit. If 16 Länder agree to not spend more on it... maybe they have good arguments as well?

iggldiggl 4y ago

> making the price 29 Euros would mean double the expected ticket sales Do you have any justification for that claim, or is that just pulling figures out of thin air? If reducing the price by less (!) than half would that clearly mean double (!) the sales we wouldn't have had the debate we had now – which partly apparently was because the original 3 billion headline figure was estimated based on a ticket price of 69 €, but then the oh-so-wise politicians thought that 49 € would be an even nicer figure. Only on closer calculation it turned out that the additional sales from that lower price very likely wouldn't offset the additional losses generated by all already existing customers paying even less.

mschild 4y ago
Based on calculations done by Greenpeace using data collected by several institutes on peoples willingness to pay for a public transport ticket. The press release [0] and actual report in pdf [1] [0] https://presseportal.greenpeace.de/219048-greenpeace-kalkulation-29-euro-ticket-kostet-staat-nicht-mehr-als-49-euro-ticket https://presseportal.greenpeace.de/219048-greenpeace-kalkula... [1] https://www.greenpeace.de/publikationen/Kalkulation_Klimaticket.pdf?utm_campaign=verkehr&utm_source=www.greenpeace.de&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=press-release&utm_term=klimaticket https://www.greenpeace.de/publikationen/Kalkulation_Klimatic...