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> My current company hasn't made such a demand, but I've also heard that in others in this country about 20% of people actually prefer to work in person daily,

by WWLink 4y ago

> My current company hasn't made such a demand, but I've also heard that in others in this country about 20% of people actually prefer to work in person daily, everyone else seems to work remotely. That 20% probably also expects/demands everyone else show up, because they prefer everyone else to be there, too! :)

mullingitover 4y ago
If there's an equal distribution of talent/productivity among the remote-demanding group and the on prem-demanding group, and only 20% demand on prem, the smart move is to cut the smaller group loose. They offer a smaller talent pool and most of the highest-performing talent will be in the remote group.
sundaeofshock 4y ago
You got a citation for that? I’m a part of the 20% who enjoys going into the office a few times a week. There are three other folks who show up regularly; the rest rarely — if ever — make an appearance. I’m fine with this arrangement and I don’t see a need to force everyone else back in. With the the exception of misguided upper management, I suspect most people take a more nuanced view of remote work.
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- ghaff 4y ago
  I suspect that most people who would like more coworkers to come back into the office appreciate that they have very little say in the matter and should probably largely keep quiet about their preferences--and perhaps seek out somewhere where things are different if they care. I suspect many have preferences but not strong enough ones to take imminent action.
  - WWLink 4y ago
    Honestly idk if even 50% of that 20% care. Maybe nobody cares! It's all good. :) My guess was that a lot of the management demanding people to return to the office, are the kinda people that want to be around a lot of people, so they ask everyone to come back so they feel better. That's all. I don't know where I fit in all this. I went full remote and at my company they don't allow everyone to do that - it's more of an "ask your boss and maybe they'll let you" kinda thing lol. I'm not even an introvert. At least, I don't consider myself one. I like being around others and chatting and socializing and stuff. I just don't care for the expectation to be there at the same time for many hours every day. My office is big and noisy and there's a ton of people in the room making noise. It is distracting as hell. It's also not in my favorite place to hang out. It's a kinda boring commercial area on a busy street with no good places to walk or hang out outside the office. IDK. I do visit sometimes.
KronisLV 4y ago
> That 20% probably also expects/demands everyone else show up, because they prefer everyone else to be there, too! :) This hasn't been my experience exactly, though I've also participated in the occasional get-together at the office when the team collectively decided to work together in person. As for the motivations of those who prefer to be at the office, some might have living conditions where the office environment is a more pleasant for work (especially given some family situations), others like to have clear boundaries between a work place and a rest place... whatever those motivations might be, I don't judge. Though I can see how it would be annoying if someone demanded that everyone fit their preferred way of work. I once talked to someone who was dead set on only doing synchronous communication and rejected the idea of someone being able to respond to their question an hour later or so as acceptable - something like that would definitely cause problems, though that's just a particular mindset to look out for.
- drewcoo 4y ago
  > whatever those motivations might be, I don't judge The rest of us judge. That's part of being human and trying to understand situations. (Judge strongly but lightly?) I only mention this because that comment seemed a bit like shaming for using judgement.
atkailash 4y ago

by WWLink 4y ago

mullingitover 4y ago

If there's an equal distribution of talent/productivity among the remote-demanding group and the on prem-demanding group, and only 20% demand on prem, the smart move is to cut the smaller group loose. They offer a smaller talent pool and most of the highest-performing talent will be in the remote group.

sundaeofshock 4y ago

You got a citation for that? I’m a part of the 20% who enjoys going into the office a few times a week. There are three other folks who show up regularly; the rest rarely — if ever — make an appearance. I’m fine with this arrangement and I don’t see a need to force everyone else back in. With the the exception of misguided upper management, I suspect most people take a more nuanced view of remote work.

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ghaff 4y ago
I suspect that most people who would like more coworkers to come back into the office appreciate that they have very little say in the matter and should probably largely keep quiet about their preferences--and perhaps seek out somewhere where things are different if they care. I suspect many have preferences but not strong enough ones to take imminent action.
- WWLink 4y ago
  Honestly idk if even 50% of that 20% care. Maybe nobody cares! It's all good. :) My guess was that a lot of the management demanding people to return to the office, are the kinda people that want to be around a lot of people, so they ask everyone to come back so they feel better. That's all. I don't know where I fit in all this. I went full remote and at my company they don't allow everyone to do that - it's more of an "ask your boss and maybe they'll let you" kinda thing lol. I'm not even an introvert. At least, I don't consider myself one. I like being around others and chatting and socializing and stuff. I just don't care for the expectation to be there at the same time for many hours every day. My office is big and noisy and there's a ton of people in the room making noise. It is distracting as hell. It's also not in my favorite place to hang out. It's a kinda boring commercial area on a busy street with no good places to walk or hang out outside the office. IDK. I do visit sometimes.

KronisLV 4y ago

> That 20% probably also expects/demands everyone else show up, because they prefer everyone else to be there, too! :) This hasn't been my experience exactly, though I've also participated in the occasional get-together at the office when the team collectively decided to work together in person. As for the motivations of those who prefer to be at the office, some might have living conditions where the office environment is a more pleasant for work (especially given some family situations), others like to have clear boundaries between a work place and a rest place... whatever those motivations might be, I don't judge. Though I can see how it would be annoying if someone demanded that everyone fit their preferred way of work. I once talked to someone who was dead set on only doing synchronous communication and rejected the idea of someone being able to respond to their question an hour later or so as acceptable - something like that would definitely cause problems, though that's just a particular mindset to look out for.

drewcoo 4y ago
> whatever those motivations might be, I don't judge The rest of us judge. That's part of being human and trying to understand situations. (Judge strongly but lightly?) I only mention this because that comment seemed a bit like shaming for using judgement.

atkailash 4y ago