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I've seen those posts on HN. Something the in-person crowd might want to consider is that a lot of interesting roles are going to involve lots of work with peo

I've seen those posts on HN. Something the in-person crowd might want to consider is that a lot of interesting roles are going to involve lots of work with people who aren't in the room with you no matter whether you're in office or WFH. If you go in being highly vocal about no remote work, you may not be considered for roles that aren't fully remote but do involve a lot of videoconferencing. And maybe that's OK with you, but do think about it.

whywhywhywhy 4y ago
Think it's more likely the interesting work is gonna fall on the in office teams rather than the remote inclusive teams. One has free form ideation and camaraderie the other is people sitting in silos in a chatroom
throwaway22032 4y ago
As one of these people, that is explicitly why I don't want to work remotely. I don't want to spend my life doing Zoom calls. A quick telephone audio call for 5 minutes along the lines of "hey, are you nearly at the store" - sure. A call to avoid literally flying 5000 miles or something - if we have to. But in general, for actual communication I want to be in the room with someone, and I think that a combination of colocating people and spending an hour or whatever on travel for clients is normally worth it for that. Hybrid office environments are an absolute non starter for me for that reason.
- mike_d 4y ago
  The standard is 200 sqft of office space per employee (this factors in conference rooms, common space, bathrooms, etc). That means best case, you are looking at approximately 300 people per football field of office space. Colocating functional teams together, and by extension the teams they need to work with, is a great idea but the math just doesn't work out for a company of more than a few hundred employees. At the minimum you are still traveling to other buildings on the same campus to have meetings. None of us want to spend our life on Zoom. But I'll take a few hours a day of calls to get back 2 hours a day in traffic that I can spend having coffee with my wife and petting my dogs.
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whywhywhywhy 4y ago

Think it's more likely the interesting work is gonna fall on the in office teams rather than the remote inclusive teams. One has free form ideation and camaraderie the other is people sitting in silos in a chatroom

throwaway22032 4y ago

As one of these people, that is explicitly why I don't want to work remotely. I don't want to spend my life doing Zoom calls. A quick telephone audio call for 5 minutes along the lines of "hey, are you nearly at the store" - sure. A call to avoid literally flying 5000 miles or something - if we have to. But in general, for actual communication I want to be in the room with someone, and I think that a combination of colocating people and spending an hour or whatever on travel for clients is normally worth it for that. Hybrid office environments are an absolute non starter for me for that reason.

mike_d 4y ago
The standard is 200 sqft of office space per employee (this factors in conference rooms, common space, bathrooms, etc). That means best case, you are looking at approximately 300 people per football field of office space. Colocating functional teams together, and by extension the teams they need to work with, is a great idea but the math just doesn't work out for a company of more than a few hundred employees. At the minimum you are still traveling to other buildings on the same campus to have meetings. None of us want to spend our life on Zoom. But I'll take a few hours a day of calls to get back 2 hours a day in traffic that I can spend having coffee with my wife and petting my dogs.
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