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This assumes that the average potential juror knows who SBF is, or what he's done. Yes, the average HN reader, or Twitter user, knows all about crypto and the

by bmj 4y ago

This assumes that the average potential juror knows who SBF is, or what he's done. Yes, the average HN reader, or Twitter user, knows all about crypto and the players, but they do not represent the average U.S. citizen at all, even if the trial was held in SF.

kipchak 4y ago
I wonder if he's that unknown to the average citizen now partially thanks to the interviews he's done and the resulting media attention. For example this Yahoo News article about Caroline Ellison[1] has 1912 comments, which is fairly high engagement for Yahoo. The top comment is somewhat telling for the layman's reaction: "It doesn't seem most of these people were anywhere near qualified or experienced enough to perform the roles they held." [1]https://news.yahoo.com/caroline-ellison-one-central-figures-182540293.html https://news.yahoo.com/caroline-ellison-one-central-figures-...
adamsmith143 4y ago
Absolutely no chance the average US citizen has heard of SBF or FTX.
- kipchak 4y ago
  Zero chance they saw the superbowl commercial?
  - adamsmith143 4y ago
    I watched it, am plugged into the crypto universe and still have no memory of it. Do we expect people to remember every obscure commercial they saw? Coinbase is another story because the QR code was memorable but I think it's also higher profile than FTX ever was in the US.
    - kipchak 4y ago
      I wouldn't expect them to remember it, but I think there's a non zero chance the average US citizen/juror has heard of FTX/SBF, given how heavily they advertised. MLB umpires wore a FTX logo for example, and was to replace American Airlines as the sponsor (FTX Arena) of the Miami heat's stadium. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/11/17/mlb-latest-sports-enterprise-to-distance-itself-from-one-time-prominent-sponsor-ftx/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/11/17/mlb-latest...
      - adamsmith143 4y ago
        There's a big difference between "I've seen an FTX commercial/Logo on TV" and "I know who SBF is and what FTX's value prop as a company was" and yet another difference between that and "I know who SBF is, I had money on FTX, I know what Alameda Research was and I know what podcasts SBF has been on lately." The later group is extremely small and is most likely not going to get called into a jury.

by bmj 4y ago

kipchak 4y ago

I wonder if he's that unknown to the average citizen now partially thanks to the interviews he's done and the resulting media attention. For example this Yahoo News article about Caroline Ellison[1] has 1912 comments, which is fairly high engagement for Yahoo. The top comment is somewhat telling for the layman's reaction: "It doesn't seem most of these people were anywhere near qualified or experienced enough to perform the roles they held." [1]https://news.yahoo.com/caroline-ellison-one-central-figures-182540293.html https://news.yahoo.com/caroline-ellison-one-central-figures-...

adamsmith143 4y ago

Absolutely no chance the average US citizen has heard of SBF or FTX.

kipchak 4y ago
Zero chance they saw the superbowl commercial?
- adamsmith143 4y ago
  I watched it, am plugged into the crypto universe and still have no memory of it. Do we expect people to remember every obscure commercial they saw? Coinbase is another story because the QR code was memorable but I think it's also higher profile than FTX ever was in the US.
  - kipchak 4y ago
    I wouldn't expect them to remember it, but I think there's a non zero chance the average US citizen/juror has heard of FTX/SBF, given how heavily they advertised. MLB umpires wore a FTX logo for example, and was to replace American Airlines as the sponsor (FTX Arena) of the Miami heat's stadium. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/11/17/mlb-latest-sports-enterprise-to-distance-itself-from-one-time-prominent-sponsor-ftx/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2022/11/17/mlb-latest...
    - adamsmith143 4y ago
      There's a big difference between "I've seen an FTX commercial/Logo on TV" and "I know who SBF is and what FTX's value prop as a company was" and yet another difference between that and "I know who SBF is, I had money on FTX, I know what Alameda Research was and I know what podcasts SBF has been on lately." The later group is extremely small and is most likely not going to get called into a jury.