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I’m Neon CEO. Happy to answer questions. We also have an interesting roadmap for the driver where we hope to keep driving latency and number of round trips down

by nikita 4y ago

pbiggar 4y ago
Does Neon scale down storage? I'm paying GCP a lot for storage I don't use, and it's incredibly frustrating - they scaled me up no problem but won't let me scale down.
- nikita 4y ago
  Storage is multi tenant and bottomless. Unused storage spills to S3 and is cheaper. We pass savings to our users
  - pbiggar 4y ago
    I think you're telling me the answer but I amn't sure. Suppose I use 10TB of storage, and then later I delete all but 100GB of storage. Will I be paying for 10TB or 100GB?
    - nikita 4y ago
      100GB
bilalq 4y ago
I don't see pricing listed anywhere. Can you expand on what that might look like? Also, can Neon scale down to zero like serverless aurora v1, or is there a minimum capacity unit?
- nikita 4y ago
  Pricing is coming very soon. Dotting the is and crossing the ts
  - nikita 4y ago
    And yes. Scales to 0
sakras 4y ago
I’m curious why not implement websockets into Postgres natively instead of relying on a proxy server? Wouldn’t that be the way to minimize latency?
- neuronexmachina 4y ago
  Being able to connect to arbitrary Postgres servers (or potentially even the postgres compatibility-layers for AWS's Aurora or Google's AlloyDB) seems like a good reason to go for the proxy approach.
  - nikita 4y ago
    Yes. Also it was an easier thing to do and ship quickly. We are going to get very tight on latencies and if that would require building it into Postgres we will do so
jtmarmon 4y ago
Would be really cool to see you guys become a managed service on Fly.io - see what they did with Upstash & Redis: https://community.fly.io/t/preview-managed-upstash-redis-with-read-replica-support/6541 https://community.fly.io/t/preview-managed-upstash-redis-wit... They don't have a managed postgres offering yet ("this is not a managed postgres" - https://fly.io/docs/postgres/getting-started/what-you-should-know/ https://fly.io/docs/postgres/getting-started/what-you-should...)
krashidov 4y ago
Hey Nikita, what are the key differences between neon and Supabase?
- nikita 4y ago
  I think we innovate on different parts of the stack. Neon is offering separation of storage and compute and serverless. Theoretically you can run Supabase on top of Neon
  - nikita 4y ago
    To elaborate Neon is designed deliberately to plug into the Postgres ecosystem. So all of the ecosystem works out of the box. Supabase seems to be vertically integrated. But Paul should comment on that
    - kiwicopple 4y ago
      I believe most of the tools that Supabase use would work with Neon, with the exception of Realtime. As I understand it, Neon doesn't support Logical Decoding yet[0], which is required so that the Realtime engine can receive updates from the database. [0] https://community.neon.tech/t/plans-for-logical-replication/219/2 https://community.neon.tech/t/plans-for-logical-replication/...
      - nikita 4y ago
        You are right. We will make it work soon
      - kiwicopple 4y ago
        (Another one would be the GraphQL extension: https://github.com/supabase/pg_graphql/ https://github.com/supabase/pg_graphql/)

I’m Neon CEO. Happy to answer questions. We also have an interesting roadmap for the driver where we hope to keep driving latency and number of round trips down

by nikita 4y ago

I’m Neon CEO. Happy to answer questions. We also have an interesting roadmap for the driver where we hope to keep driving latency and number of round trips down

pbiggar 4y ago

Does Neon scale down storage? I'm paying GCP a lot for storage I don't use, and it's incredibly frustrating - they scaled me up no problem but won't let me scale down.

nikita 4y ago
Storage is multi tenant and bottomless. Unused storage spills to S3 and is cheaper. We pass savings to our users
- pbiggar 4y ago
  I think you're telling me the answer but I amn't sure. Suppose I use 10TB of storage, and then later I delete all but 100GB of storage. Will I be paying for 10TB or 100GB?
  - nikita 4y ago
    100GB

bilalq 4y ago

I don't see pricing listed anywhere. Can you expand on what that might look like? Also, can Neon scale down to zero like serverless aurora v1, or is there a minimum capacity unit?

nikita 4y ago
Pricing is coming very soon. Dotting the is and crossing the ts
- nikita 4y ago
  And yes. Scales to 0

sakras 4y ago

I’m curious why not implement websockets into Postgres natively instead of relying on a proxy server? Wouldn’t that be the way to minimize latency?

neuronexmachina 4y ago
Being able to connect to arbitrary Postgres servers (or potentially even the postgres compatibility-layers for AWS's Aurora or Google's AlloyDB) seems like a good reason to go for the proxy approach.
- nikita 4y ago
  Yes. Also it was an easier thing to do and ship quickly. We are going to get very tight on latencies and if that would require building it into Postgres we will do so

jtmarmon 4y ago

Would be really cool to see you guys become a managed service on Fly.io - see what they did with Upstash & Redis: https://community.fly.io/t/preview-managed-upstash-redis-with-read-replica-support/6541 https://community.fly.io/t/preview-managed-upstash-redis-wit... They don't have a managed postgres offering yet ("this is not a managed postgres" - https://fly.io/docs/postgres/getting-started/what-you-should-know/ https://fly.io/docs/postgres/getting-started/what-you-should...)

krashidov 4y ago

Hey Nikita, what are the key differences between neon and Supabase?

nikita 4y ago
I think we innovate on different parts of the stack. Neon is offering separation of storage and compute and serverless. Theoretically you can run Supabase on top of Neon
- nikita 4y ago
  To elaborate Neon is designed deliberately to plug into the Postgres ecosystem. So all of the ecosystem works out of the box. Supabase seems to be vertically integrated. But Paul should comment on that
  - kiwicopple 4y ago
    I believe most of the tools that Supabase use would work with Neon, with the exception of Realtime. As I understand it, Neon doesn't support Logical Decoding yet[0], which is required so that the Realtime engine can receive updates from the database. [0] https://community.neon.tech/t/plans-for-logical-replication/219/2 https://community.neon.tech/t/plans-for-logical-replication/...
    - nikita 4y ago
      You are right. We will make it work soon
    - kiwicopple 4y ago
      (Another one would be the GraphQL extension: https://github.com/supabase/pg_graphql/ https://github.com/supabase/pg_graphql/)